New file uploaded to gothic-l (Christmas and Yule)

[ualarauans]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at ...> wrote:
>
> Many thanks for this Arthur.  I read it ages ago, but had 
completely
> forgotten that detail about the phantom status of *Naubaimbair!
> 
> http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~david/index.html
> http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~david/report.pdf
> 
> The relevant section is on p. 54.  Which leaves us with just 'fruma
> jiuleis' as the name of the month, and no way of knowing whether 
the
> illegible word was a synonym (*Naubaimbair or otherwise) or 
something
> else entirely.

But if Naubaimbair is a fancy, what's worth our reconstruction of 
the Gothic month names based on Latin? If only fruma jiuleis is 
attested, then one could logically suppose that all other Gothic 
month names were also Germanic. Afaik there were several Calender 
traditions in Germania, with their own month names. Which of them 
are we to follow? E.g. OHG and OE give only one match which could 
speak for Go. Austramenoþs "April".

Ualarauans

> Re. alternative names, I just came across the following Old West 
Norse
> and Old Swedish proposals: Dróttins burðar tíð; gudz födzlo hötidh 
[
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julfest ], neither of which caught on.
> So maybe we could have: 'fraujins mel gabaurþais', or similar.  
Bit of
> a mouthful, I know...  Thinks: does the final vowel in 
Finnish 'juhla'
> and 'joula' imply a specifically East Germanic origin for the
> loanword, as opposed to Proto Germanic -o or Proto Nordic -u?  If 
so,
> we have a nice piece of evidence for the survival of both versions 
in
> East Germanic: *jaihvla and *jiula.

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