century, events, deaths

[Lombard]

Dear "Llama nom"

So this would give:

1st fruma

2nd anþar

3rd þridja

4th fidworda

5th fimfta

6th saihsta

7th sibunda

8th ahtuda

9th niunda

10th taihunda

11th ainlifta

12th twalifta

13th þridjataihunda

14th fidwordataihunda

15th fimftataihunda

16th saihstataihunda

17th sibundataihunda

18th ahtudataihunda

19th niundataihunda

20th twai tigjuda (Verner's law þ > d?; or anþara tigjuda, like fimfta-taihunda instead of fimf-taihunda ?)

21st twai tigjuda jah fruma

22nd twai tigjuda jah anþar

23rd twai tigjuda jah þridja

24th twai tigjuda jah fidworda

25th twai tigjuda jah fimfta

26th twai tigjuda jah saihsta

27th twai tigjuda jah sibunda

28th twai tigjuda jah ahtuda

29th twai tigjuda jah niunda

30th þreis tigjuda (or þridja tigjuda ?)

31st þreis tigjuda jah fruma

40th fidwor tigjuda (or fidworda tigjuda ?)

50th fimf tigjuda (or fimfta tigjuda ?)

60th saihs tigjuda (or saihsta tigjuda ?)

70th sibuntehunda

80th ahtautehunda

90th niuntehunda

100th hundada?

200th twa hundada?

300th

400th

500th

600th

700th

800th

900th

1000th þusundida?

2000th 



Quite difficult :)))



Liebe Grüße



Manie



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: llama_nom 
  To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:27 AM
  Subject: [gothic-l] Re: century, events, deaths


  --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans at ...> wrote:
  >
  > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Or alds (like Icelandic öld, which can mean both "era, age" and
  > > "century", nítjánda öldin "the 19th century"), or if the context
  > > didn't make it clear whether you were meant "era" or "century", you
  > > could always go with the obvious: taihuntehund jere "a hundred 
  > years",
  > > twa hunda jere "two hundred years", etc.
  > 
  > alds seems OK. BTW I wanted to construct an example with "the 20th 
  > century" and it turned out that I don't know how to 
  > say "twentieth". "nineteenth" is *niuntaihunda (weak adj.), from 
  > *niuntaihun "19" and not to confuse with niuntehund "90". In writing, 
  > you could probably just write sa .k. aiws / so .k. alds, but how to 
  > say it? The same concerns "30th", "40th" etc. Any ideas?

  Old English turns the -tig of the cardinal decades into -tigoþa for
  the ordinals: twéntigoþa, þrittigoþa, féowertigoþa, fíftigoþa, ...,
  hundtéontiogoþa. When combined with a unit, either the decade or the
  unit, there are two possibilities: twá and twenigoþa; óþer éac
  twentigum. Old High German has: zweinzugôsto, drîzugôsto, ...,
  zehanzugôsto. Units are added without a conjunction: niunzugôsto
  fiordo. Old Norse adds the suffix -andi: tuttugandi, þrítugandi,
  fertugandi, fimmtugandi, ... The ordinals of 100 and 1000 aren't
  recorded in Old Norse, but Modern Icelandic has: hundraðasti,
  þúsundasti. It turns both decades and units into ordinals and places
  them either way round: tuttugandi ok fyrstr, fyrstr ok tuttugandi.

  Which gives us a few possibilities for Gothic. Maybe we should avoid
  working backwards from Old Norse -gandi on the assumption that this
  could be a later form created by analogy with the teens. -da is
  attested as an ordinal suffix in Gothic, so we could reconstruct
  *-tiguþa (with devoicing of /d/ to /þ/ according to the usual rule of
  dissimilation), or possibly *-tiguda (with restoration of /d/ by
  analogy). Or, on the basis of Old High German, we could reconstruct
  *-tugosta.

  *twai-tiguþa
  *twai-tigosta

  Alternatively it might be better to dodge the issue of suffixes and
  reconstructions and just assume that the word for decade remained a
  noun still in Gothic, as with ordinals: anþar tigus, þridja tigus, ...
  etc. Compare the Old Norse idiom: hálfr þriði tøgr manna "25 men"
  (literally "half [of] the third decade of men); hálft annat hundrat
  "150" (literally "half [of] the second hundred).

  LN



   

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