A Rose By Any other Name
Keith Nelson
k1n at psu.edu
Thu Dec 7 12:30:02 UTC 2006
At 6:59 AM -0500 12/7/06, Keith Nelson wrote:
>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:12:58 -0500
>To: M.Saxton at ioe.ac.uk, k1n at psu.edu
>From: Keith Nelson <k1n at psu.edu>
>Subject: CDS, Keith Nelson
>
>Matthew, I tried to send this to you and all, but not sure it went
>through. Would you please share and also instruct me on right
>"send" procedure I should have used ? All the best, Keith
>
>
>Matthew and all. Thanks. All very interesting comments and sources.
>
>I would like to add just a few comments, much in line with those of
>Dan Slobin, that there are many differentiations that are important
>and that a "preferred" general term may not be really that helpful.
>
> The language input that the child "draws upon" (e.g. Nelson,
>1980) is what matters for the individual child's progress, and that
>attended-to input can be overheard from many ages and sources of
>speakers and other attended-to input may be in a variety of ways
>"adjusted" or "directed" to the child in terms of the momentary
>context, the ongoing relationship, and the speaker's awareness of the
>child's current language repertoire. Whenever we can, by both
>naturalistic and experimental techniques it is helpful to analyze and
>discuss in terms of many of these differentiations.
>
> As far as history of terms goes, I suspect there is quite a
>bit more out there. I will point to just a few examples that with
>brief digging I have to share.
>
> In 1978-1985 already there were review-extension chapters,
>each referring to earlier studies by many authors , by Gleason &
>Weintraub (78) Cross & colleagues(85), and Nelson (80, 81, 82)
>Examples of terms
> Gleason & W input language, mother-child speech, father-child speech,
> adult-child speech
> Cross et al. maternal speech style, maternal speech,
>maternal conversational
>style, maternal speech adjustments
> Nelson conversational, semantic, and syntactic input,
>maternal input,
> carriers and subtypes of carriers in input (carrying
>particular semantic
> and/or syntactic structures)
>necessary, sufficient, catalytic, and irrelevant components of --
> input, mother-child conversation, language input
>
> Other fairly early work and exploration of terms occurred in
>several papers that I collaborated on with John Bonvillian. Again,
>with very brief glancing back, the following terms can be spotted in
>78 : parental talk to children , mother talk to children , sibling
>talk to children , parental style
>
> Again, thanks. Cheers, Keith Nelson
>
>a few refs:
>
>. Cross, T. , Nienhuys, T. G., & Kirkman, M. (1985)
>Parent-child iteraction with receptively disabled children: Some
>determinants of maternal speech style. In K. E. Nelson (Ed.),
>Children's language, Vol. 5. Erlbaum.
>
>
>Gleason, J B & Weintraub, S (1978) Input language and the
>acquisition of communicative competence. In K E Nelson Ed.
>Children's Language, Volume 1 Halstead/Wiley.
>
>Nelson, K. E. (1977). Facilitating children's syntax acquisition.
>Developmental Psychology, 13, 101-107.
>Nelson, K. E. (1980). Theories of the child's acquisition of syntax:
>A look at rare events and at necessary, catalytic, and irrelevant
>components of mother-child conversation. Annals of the New York
>Academy of Sciences, 345, 45-67.
>Nelson, K. E. (1981). Toward a rare-event cognitive comparison theory
>of syntax acquisition. In P. S. Dale & D. Ingram (Eds.), Child
>language: An international perspective (pp. 229-240).
>
>Nelson, K. E. (1982). Experimental gambits in the service of language
>acquisition theory. In S.A. Kuczaj (Ed.), Language development,
>syntax and semantics. Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum.
>Nelson, K. E., & Bonvillian, J. D. (1978). Early language
>development: Conceptual growth and related processes between 2 and 4
>1/2 years of age. In K. E. Nelson (Ed.), Children's language, Vol. 1.
>New York: Gardner/Wiley.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 9:58 AM +0000 12/6/06, Matthew Saxton wrote:
>>Dear All,
>>
>>Talking to Children: Origins of Terminology
>>
>>Many, many thanks to all those who took the time and trouble to help
>>track down the origins of these stalwart terms from the child
>>language canon. I have tried to distil the essential sources in what
>>follows, but Buyer Beware! I do not present this as a definitive
>>list (I still need to do some more old-fashioned shuffling round
>>real - not virtual - libraries).
>>
>>The discussion extended rather quickly beyond my original question,
>>which simply concerned the provenance of terms. In particular, the
>>appropriateness of different terms with regard to their precision
>>and relevance was, quite rightly, raised as a key issue. For what
>>it's worth, and without going into detail, I think Child Directed
>>Speech (CDS) covers most of the bases required by child language
>>researchers. And it certainly seems to have the upper hand as the
>>most popular term in recent times.
>>
>>(1) Baby Talk
>>The granddaddy (?!) of them all, which goes back at least to 1956
>>and almost to 1948:
>>
>>Casagrande, J.B. (1948). Comanche baby language. International
>>Journal of American Linguistics, 14, 11-14.
>>Ferguson, C. A. (1956). Arabic baby talk. In M. Halle (Ed.), For
>>Roman Jakobson: On the occasion of his sixtieth birthday 11th
>>October 1956. The Hague: Mouton.
>>
>>(2) Motherese
>>Two competitors here, though InfoCHILDES correspondents clearly
>>favour Elissa Newport as the True Progenitor:
>>
>>Newport, E.L. (1975) Motherese: The speech of mothers to young
>>children. Unpublished doctoral dissertation, University of
>>Pennsylvania.
>>Newport, E.L. (1976). Motherese: The speech of mothers to young
>>children. In N.J. Castellan, D.B. Pisoni & G.R. Potts (Eds.),
>>Cognitive theory (Vol. 2). Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum.
>>Vorster, J. (1975). Mommy linguist - the case for motherese. Lingua,
>>37/4, 281-312.
>>
>>(3) Child Directed Speech (CDS)
>>Despite some help from Neil Bohannon, I haven't (yet) been able to
>>go further back than his own 1984 paper.
>>
>>Warren-Leubecker, A. & Bohannon, J.N. (1984). Intonation patterns in
>>child-directed speech - mother-father differences. Child
>>Development, 55/4, 1379-1385.
>>
>>(4) Input Language
>>Like linguistic input and exposure language, this one is very broad in scope:
>>
>>Ninio, A. (1986). The direct mapping of function to form in
>>children's early language. Journal of Psycholinguistic Research, 15,
>>559 (Abstract).
>>
>>(5) Caregiver Talk
>>Not quite caregiver talk in the references below (maybe it really
>>was a figment of my imagination), but here are two early uses of
>>caregiver:
>>
>>Beckwith, L., Cohen, S.E., Kopp, C.B., Parmelee, A.H. & Marcy, T.G.
>>(1976). Caregiver-infant interaction and early cognitive development
>>in preterm infants. Child Development, 47/3, 579-587.
>>Cohen, S.E., Beckwith, L. & Parmelee, A.H. (1978). Receptive
>>language development in preterm children as related to
>>caregiver-child interaction. Pediatrics, 61/1, 16-20.
>>
>>(6) Caretaker Talk
>>As Brian Richards points out, this one was not destined to take off
>>in the U.K. (and other Anglophone countries), because caretaker
>>means janitor. Please note, janitor talk has not yet been
>>recognised as a distinct register, used when talking to children,
>>but this seems like a terrible injustice to me and I shall be
>>mounting a campaign of support very soon.
>>
>>Schachter, F.F., Fosha, D., Stemp, S., Brotman, N. & Ganger, S.
>>(1976). Everyday caretaker talk to toddlers vs. 3s and 4s. Journal
>>of Child Language, 3/2, 221-245.
>>
>>(7) Infant Directed Speech
>>I doubt very much this is the earliest usage, but at least it
>>provides a lead:
>>
>>Cooper, R.P. & Aslin, R.N. (1990). Preference for infant-directed
>>speech in the first month after birth. Child Development, 61/5,
>>1584-1595.
>>
>>(8) Linguistic Input
>>This one is all-encompassing. I guess it extends beyond language
>>learning and is in the same class as linguistic environment. Again,
>>I doubt if the following is the first usage of the term, but it
>>provides something to go on:
>>
>>Schlesinger, I.M. (1977). Role of cognitive development and
>>linguistic input in language acquisition. Journal of Child Language,
>>4/2, 153-169.
>>
>>(9) Exposure Language
>>Dan Slobin's declared favourite. My initial search does not go back
>>too far, but again, I hope it provides a useful lead.
>>
>>Gillette, J., Gleitman, H. & Gleitman, L & Lederer, A. (1999). Human
>>simulations of vocabulary learning. Cognition, 73/2, 135-176.
>>
>>
>>(A Few) Miscellaneous References
>>Bohannon, J., Stine, E.L. & Ritzenberg, D. (1982). Motherese: The
>>effects of feedback and experience. The Bulletin of the Psychonomic
>>Society, 19, 201-204.
>>Bohannon, J. & Warren-Leubecker, A. (1988) Recent developments in
>>child directed speech: You've come a long way, Baby-Talk. Language
>>Science, 10, 89-110.
>>Phillips, J.R. (1970).Formal characteristics of speech which mothers
>>address to their young children. Unpublished doctoral dissertation,
>>Johns Hopkins University.
>>Phillips, J.R. (1973). Syntax and vocabulary of mothers' speech to
>>young children: Age and sex comparisons. Child Development, 44,
>>182-185.
>>
>>
>>
>>*********************************************************************
>>
>>Matthew Saxton MA, MSc, DPhil
>>School of Psychology and Human Development,
>>Institute of Education,
>>25 Woburn Square,
>>London,
>>WC1H 0AA.
>>U.K.
>>
>>Tel: +44 (0) 20 7612 6509
>>Fax: +44 (0) 20 7612 6304
>>
>><http://ioewebserver.ioe.ac.uk/ioe/cms/get.asp?cid=4578&4578_0=10248>http://ioewebserver.ioe.ac.uk/ioe/cms/get.asp?cid=4578&4578_0=10248
>><http://www.ioe.ac.uk>www.ioe.ac.uk
>>
>
>
>--
>
>
>
>Keith Nelson
>Professor of Psychology
>Penn State University
>423 Moore Building
>University Park, PA 16802
>
>
>keithnelsonart at psu.edu
>
>814 863 1747
>
>
>
>And what is mind
>and how is it recognized ?
>It is clearly drawn
>in Sumi ink, the
>sound of breezes drifting through pine.
>
>--Ikkyu Sojun
>Japanese Zen Master 1394-1481
>--
>
>
>
>Keith Nelson
>Professor of Psychology
>Penn State University
>423 Moore Building
>University Park, PA 16802
>
>
>keithnelsonart at psu.edu
>
>814 863 1747
>
>
>
>And what is mind
>and how is it recognized ?
>It is clearly drawn
>in Sumi ink, the
>sound of breezes drifting through pine.
>
>--Ikkyu Sojun
>Japanese Zen Master 1394-1481
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 9:58 AM +0000 12/6/06, Matthew Saxton wrote:
>>Dear All,
>>
>>Talking to Children: Origins of Terminology
>>
>>Many, many thanks to all those who took the time and trouble to
>>help track down the origins of these stalwart terms from the child
>>language canon. I have tried to distil the essential sources in
>>what follows, but Buyer Beware! I do not present this as a
>>definitive list (I still need to do some more old-fashioned
>>shuffling round real - not virtual - libraries).
>>
>>The discussion extended rather quickly beyond my original question,
>>which simply concerned the provenance of terms. In particular, the
>>appropriateness of different terms with regard to their precision
>>and relevance was, quite rightly, raised as a key issue. For what
>>it's worth, and without going into detail, I think Child Directed
>>Speech (CDS) covers most of the bases required by child language
>>researchers. And it certainly seems to have the upper hand as the
>>most popular term in recent times.
>>
>>(1) Baby Talk
>>The granddaddy (?!) of them all, which goes back at least to 1956
>>and almost to 1948:
>>
>>Casagrande, J.B. (1948). Comanche baby language. International
>>Journal of American Linguistics, 14, 11-14.
>>Ferguson, C. A. (1956). Arabic baby talk. In M. Halle (Ed.), For
>>Roman Jakobson: On the occasion of his sixtieth birthday 11th
>>October 1956. The Hague: Mouton.
>>
>>(2) Motherese
>>Two competitors here, though InfoCHILDES correspondents clearly
>>favour Elissa Newport as the True Progenitor:
>>
>>Newport, E.L. (1975) Motherese: The speech of mothers to young
>>children. Unpublished doctoral dissertation, University of
>>Pennsylvania.
>>Newport, E.L. (1976). Motherese: The speech of mothers to young
>>children. In N.J. Castellan, D.B. Pisoni & G.R. Potts (Eds.),
>>Cognitive theory (Vol. 2). Hillsdale, NJ: Erlbaum.
>>Vorster, J. (1975). Mommy linguist - the case for motherese.
>>Lingua, 37/4, 281-312.
>>
>>(3) Child Directed Speech (CDS)
>>Despite some help from Neil Bohannon, I haven't (yet) been able to
>>go further back than his own 1984 paper.
>>
>>Warren-Leubecker, A. & Bohannon, J.N. (1984). Intonation patterns
>>in child-directed speech - mother-father differences. Child
>>Development, 55/4, 1379-1385.
>>
>>(4) Input Language
>>Like linguistic input and exposure language, this one is very broad in scope:
>>
>>Ninio, A. (1986). The direct mapping of function to form in
>>children's early language. Journal of Psycholinguistic Research,
>>15, 559 (Abstract).
>>
>>(5) Caregiver Talk
>>Not quite caregiver talk in the references below (maybe it really
>>was a figment of my imagination), but here are two early uses of
>>caregiver:
>>
>>Beckwith, L., Cohen, S.E., Kopp, C.B., Parmelee, A.H. & Marcy, T.G.
>>(1976). Caregiver-infant interaction and early cognitive
>>development in preterm infants. Child Development, 47/3, 579-587.
>>Cohen, S.E., Beckwith, L. & Parmelee, A.H. (1978). Receptive
>>language development in preterm children as related to
>>caregiver-child interaction. Pediatrics, 61/1, 16-20.
>>
>>(6) Caretaker Talk
>>As Brian Richards points out, this one was not destined to take off
>>in the U.K. (and other Anglophone countries), because caretaker
>>means janitor. Please note, janitor talk has not yet been
>>recognised as a distinct register, used when talking to children,
>>but this seems like a terrible injustice to me and I shall be
>>mounting a campaign of support very soon.
>>
>>Schachter, F.F., Fosha, D., Stemp, S., Brotman, N. & Ganger, S.
>>(1976). Everyday caretaker talk to toddlers vs. 3s and 4s. Journal
>>of Child Language, 3/2, 221-245.
>>
>>(7) Infant Directed Speech
>>I doubt very much this is the earliest usage, but at least it
>>provides a lead:
>>
>>Cooper, R.P. & Aslin, R.N. (1990). Preference for infant-directed
>>speech in the first month after birth. Child Development, 61/5,
>>1584-1595.
>>
>>(8) Linguistic Input
>>This one is all-encompassing. I guess it extends beyond language
>>learning and is in the same class as linguistic environment. Again,
>>I doubt if the following is the first usage of the term, but it
>>provides something to go on:
>>
>>Schlesinger, I.M. (1977). Role of cognitive development and
>>linguistic input in language acquisition. Journal of Child
>>Language, 4/2, 153-169.
>>
>>(9) Exposure Language
>>Dan Slobin's declared favourite. My initial search does not go back
>>too far, but again, I hope it provides a useful lead.
>>
>>Gillette, J., Gleitman, H. & Gleitman, L & Lederer, A. (1999).
>>Human simulations of vocabulary learning. Cognition, 73/2, 135-176.
>>
>>
>>(A Few) Miscellaneous References
>>Bohannon, J., Stine, E.L. & Ritzenberg, D. (1982). Motherese: The
>>effects of feedback and experience. The Bulletin of the Psychonomic
>>Society, 19, 201-204.
>>Bohannon, J. & Warren-Leubecker, A. (1988) Recent developments in
>>child directed speech: You've come a long way, Baby-Talk. Language
>>Science, 10, 89-110.
>>Phillips, J.R. (1970).Formal characteristics of speech which
>>mothers address to their young children. Unpublished doctoral
>>dissertation, Johns Hopkins University.
>>Phillips, J.R. (1973). Syntax and vocabulary of mothers' speech to
>>young children: Age and sex comparisons. Child Development, 44,
>>182-185.
>>
>>
>>
>>*********************************************************************
>>
>>Matthew Saxton MA, MSc, DPhil
>>School of Psychology and Human Development,
>>Institute of Education,
>>25 Woburn Square,
>>London,
>>WC1H 0AA.
>>U.K.
>>
>>Tel: +44 (0) 20 7612 6509
>>Fax: +44 (0) 20 7612 6304
>>
>><http://ioewebserver.ioe.ac.uk/ioe/cms/get.asp?cid=4578&4578_0=10248>http://ioewebserver.ioe.ac.uk/ioe/cms/get.asp?cid=4578&4578_0=10248
>><http://www.ioe.ac.uk>www.ioe.ac.uk
>>
>
>
>--
>
>
>
>Keith Nelson
>Professor of Psychology
>Penn State University
>423 Moore Building
>University Park, PA 16802
>
>
>keithnelsonart at psu.edu
>
>814 863 1747
>
>
>
>And what is mind
>and how is it recognized ?
>It is clearly drawn
>in Sumi ink, the
>sound of breezes drifting through pine.
>
>--Ikkyu Sojun
>Japanese Zen Master 1394-1481
--
Keith Nelson
Professor of Psychology
Penn State University
423 Moore Building
University Park, PA 16802
keithnelsonart at psu.edu
814 863 1747
And what is mind
and how is it recognized ?
It is clearly drawn
in Sumi ink, the
sound of breezes drifting through pine.
--Ikkyu Sojun
Japanese Zen Master 1394-1481
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