pragmatic bootstrapping

Tue Mar 22 15:44:01 UTC 2011

> ...... embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 ......

I realise Chomsky has been around for some time, but who'd've though it? He precedes the invention of the printing press......

Best wishes,

Matthew Saxton.

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From: info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:info-childes at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Roeper
Sent: 22 March 2011 12:37
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Subject: Re: pragmatic bootstrapping

Anat---
    in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued that children needed pragmatic
mapping onto syntax to justify transformations.  That means a simultaneous syntactic and pragmatic
information.  It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's remark in 1076 Reflections
on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering experience" I said to him that must include
pragmatics and he agreed.
   It is obvious that it is hard to understand:
       the cat was chased by the dog.
but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic  advantage when they hear:

the milk was drunk by the boy

because they know that milk cannot drink boy.  If there is syntax is ready to project a transformation,
then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get into the object position somehow,
do I have a mental operation to do it".
      Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so if I tell a 3yr old:

      the cheese ate the mouse

they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true.  An anti-pragmatic ability is the
sign of true acquisition.

best, Tom  Roeper
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard <pdaftaryfard at gmail.com<mailto:pdaftaryfard at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Anat,

Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can get enough input in a unilateral way.

Best.
Parisa Daftarifard
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio <msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il<mailto:msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il>> wrote:
Dear List,

Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping".

Thanks,

Anat Ninio

On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote:
Hi Nameera,

Thanks a lot!  Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry
Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J. B. Benson (Eds.), Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development, Vol. 2 (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press.
which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First, is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say
"We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way as they learn words; that is,  through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319)
Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point?

Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure,

Anat

On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote:
congratulations, anat!

hope to see you at srcd,

nameera
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio <msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il<mailto:msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il>> wrote:
Dear Friends and Colleagues,

I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by Oxford University Press.  It is entitled   "Syntactic development, its input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do

I hope you'll like it!

Anat Ninio
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