pragmatic bootstrapping

Tue Mar 22 16:03:59 UTC 2011

Sorry---you know I was typing fast, and it is 1976---but I guess if we went
back to Panini, one
could probably find the idea earlier.

Tom

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Saxton <M.Saxton at ioe.ac.uk> wrote:

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> *From:* info-childes at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> info-childes at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Roeper
> *Sent:* 22 March 2011 12:37
> *To:* info-childes at googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: pragmatic bootstrapping
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> Anat---
>     in the paper I wrote in 1981 for the Wanner Gleitman volume, I argued
> that children needed pragmatic
> mapping onto syntax to justify transformations.  That means a simultaneous
> syntactic and pragmatic
> information.  It is in my book as well---and actually embedded in Chomsky's
> remark in 1076 Reflections
> on Language, that acqusition must be consistent with "trigtering
> experience" I said to him that must include
> pragmatics and he agreed.
>    It is obvious that it is hard to understand:
>        the cat was chased by the dog.
> but the chld has a big semantic.pragmatic  advantage when they hear:
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> the milk was drunk by the boy
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> because they know that milk cannot drink boy.  If there is syntax is ready
> to project a transformation,
> then they use that information and visual support to say "milk has to get
> into the object position somehow,
> do I have a mental operation to do it".
>       Once acquired, it will be autonomous and apply without pragmatics, so
> if I tell a 3yr old:
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>       the cheese ate the mouse
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> they laugh, because they know, anti-pragmatically, that it is true.  An
> anti-pragmatic ability is the
> sign of true acquisition.
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> best, Tom  Roeper
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> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 PM, parisa Daftarifard <
> pdaftaryfard at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Dear Anat,
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> Very interesting topic.....I am not sure but lack of language development
> or language development delay can occur because of problems in pragmatic
> bootstrapping in some children. Kids with low possibility of being involved
> in interaction-- when mothers or fathers are busy or when kids live in a
> poor-interaction environment-- showed to have language delay. This is
> especially interesting when we consider that TVs are always on and they can
> get enough input in a unilateral way.
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> Best.
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> Parisa Daftarifard
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> On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 7:37 AM, Anat Ninio <msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il>
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> Dear List,
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> Sorry to have sent this to the whole list by mistake, but actually I'd love
> to hear from anybody who knows of studies that can be said to test the
> hypothesis that children learn syntax by "pragmatic bootstrapping".
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> Thanks,
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> Anat Ninio
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> On 17-03-11 06:01, Anat Ninio wrote:
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> Hi Nameera,
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> Thanks a lot!  Absolutely coincidentally this very minute I'm reading your
> 2008 (or is it 2009?) encyclopedia entry
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> Akhtar, N., & Herold, K. (2008). Pragmatic development. In M. M. Haith & J.
> B. Benson (Eds.), *Encyclopedia of infant and early childhood development,
> * Vol. *2* (pp. 572-581). San Diego, CA: Academic Press.
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> which I want to cite for a research proposal for an European grant. First,
> is it 2008 or 2009? Second, you say
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> "We know of no empirical research, however, that has directly addressed the
> question of whether children learn syntactic constructions in the same way
> as they learn words; that is,  through "pragmatic bootstrapping" or
> attention to speakers' intentions." (p.319)
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> Would you still say so? Or is there some new study that you know of that I
> should mention? Any newer publication of yours on this point?
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> Thanks a lot and see you in SRCD for sure,
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> Anat
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> On 17-03-11 05:14, nameera akhtar wrote:
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> congratulations, anat!
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> hope to see you at srcd,
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> nameera
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> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Anat Ninio <msninio at pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il>
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> Dear Friends and Colleagues,
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> I'm very happy to be able to announce the publication of my new book by
> Oxford University Press.  It is entitled   "Syntactic development, its
> input and output" and a description of it, as well as a link to the
> Introduction, can be found on the publisher's on-line catalogue at
> http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780199565962.do
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> I hope you'll like it!
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> Anat Ninio
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