[Lingtyp] grammaticalized v grammaticized

MM Jocelyne Fernandez mmjocelynefern at gmail.com
Mon Jun 10 10:49:43 EDT 2019

This "equipping" was also actually implied in my use of the term 
"grammaticisation"– and I did collaborate with Auroux while being both 
members of the CNRS National Commission 30 years ago, although he may 
have preferred a still shorter form of the word!

Any way, not a mere whim of field linguists, the difference between 
"grammati(ci)sation" and "grammaticalisation" remains an essential one:  
the creation of grammar tools is only one of the explaining factors for 
the typological evolution of a language, since it is not automatically 
validated by language users.

M.M.Jocelyne Fernandez-Vest

Le 10/06/2019 à 08:42, Aimée Lahaussois a écrit :
> And for yet another usage of ‘grammatisation’: historians of 
> linguistics use the term for the process of ‘equipping’ languages with 
> tools such as grammars or dictionaries.  Sylvain Auroux was a big 
> promoter of the concept.
> https://www.persee.fr/doc/hel_0247-8897_1995_num_11_1_3396
> Best regards,
> Aimée
>> On Jun 10, 2019, at 5:00 AM, Dan I. SLOBIN <slobin at berkeley.edu 
>> <mailto:slobin at berkeley.edu>> wrote:
>> Just to muddy the waters a bit further, in the two volumes emerging 
>> from the 1988 Oregon conference (Traugott & Heine, 1991),
>> Jim Matisoff went even further in his paper, "Areal and Universal 
>> Dimensions of Grammatization in Lahu (Matissof, 1991: 381):
>> "The term /grammaticalization/, despite its heptasyllabic cacophony 
>> (the more concise /grammaticization/, or even/grammatization/
>> would be preferable) represents one of the most important phenomena 
>> in diachronic linguistics. Grammat(ic[al])ization is
>> inherently a diachronic concept."
>> Like Joan Bybee, I opted for /grammaticization/ for its economy and 
>> elegance, as I saw it; I continue to use that form, avoiding
>> the nuances that have emerged since between the erstwhile synonyms.
>> I appreciate Bernhard's placing of the emerging distinction between 
>> /grammaticalization/ and /grammaticization/ in the context of
>> a general psycholinguistic process, citing Bréal and Eve Clark who 
>> elaborated the point I made in an earlier posting.
>> The editors of the Oregon conference volume accepted all three 
>> variants as titles of individual papers.
>> Dan
>> Elizabeth Closs Traugott & Bernd Heine (Eds.) (1991). /Approaches to 
>> grammaticalization. /Vol. 1: /Focus on theoretical and/
>> /methodological issues. /Vol. 2: /Focus on types of grammatical 
>> markers. /Amsterdam/Philadelphia: John Benjamins.
>> James A. Matisoff (1991). Areal and universal dimensions of 
>> grammatization in Lahu. /Ibid., /383-454.
> Aimée Lahaussois
> Histoire des théories linguistiques
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Prof. Marie-Madeleine Jocelyne FERNANDEZ-VEST
CNRS & Université Sorbonne Nouvelle
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