[Lingtyp] The (ab)use of the term "theory" in (generative) linguistics

Ilja Seržant ilja.serzants at uni-leipzig.de
Wed Feb 12 14:19:15 UTC 2020


Dear David,

Shouldn't "descriptive" be rather referred to as "philological" or 
"pre-theoretical" in that parlance? :-) It seems that these two words 
also belong into this thread.

Best,

Ilja

Am 12.02.2020 um 11:32 schrieb David Gil:
>
> There is also the use of "theoretical" as a would-be antonym to 
> "descriptive" — with the latter often preceded by words such as "just" 
> or "merely", in order to reinforce the assumption that being 
> "theoretical" is somehow a higher or more worthy endeavor than being 
> "descriptive".  Since it is clearly impossible to describe any aspect 
> of language without adopting some kind of theory (e.g. with regard to 
> such basic stuff as what constitutes a segment when you're 
> transcribing a text), the presupposition that theory stands in 
> opposition to description is both confusing, as suggested by Martin, 
> but also pernicious — the latter because it expresses a totalitarian 
> attitude whereby if you're not adopting the "right" theory, you're not 
> adopting any theory whatsoever.
>
> On 11/02/2020 12:38, Eitan Grossman wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> In oral comments and reviews, I encounter two main uses of "theory" 
>> and "theoretical." One is simply an autonym of generative linguists, 
>> as in "John only hangs out with theoretical linguists" or "Mary does 
>> great fieldwork but we want to hire a theoretician."
>> You might also encounter something along the lines of "This abstract 
>> makes some very interesting observations but does not reference the 
>> theoretical literature, and it is unclear how it relates to theory."
>>
>> The other use is something like "having a point (beyond describing 
>> facts)" or "referencing general linguistic literature."
>>
>> But in my experience, the first is by far the most common.
>>
>> Eitan
>>
>>
>> בתאריך יום ג׳, 11 בפבר׳ 2020, 12:16, מאת paolo Ramat 
>> ‏<paolo.ramat at unipv.it <mailto:paolo.ramat at unipv.it>>:
>>
>>     Hi everyone,
>>     Martin H. has written that  <<there is confusion also about ]...]
>>     the relation between "typology" and "theory">>. I fully agree.
>>     But Martin says further that <<the term "theory" can be used as a
>>     count noun , or as a mass noun ("linguistic theory", "grammatical
>>     theory">>. This sounds rather strange: I had always thought that
>>     mass nouns are nouns such as 'sugar', 'blood', 'sand' etc. Can we
>>     consider abstract nouns like 'philosophy','theology' or even
>>     'democracy'  as mass nouns? Let alone by adding an adjective as
>>     in "linguistic/grammatic theory". This is not the habitual use of
>>     the term and sounds confusing.
>>     Paolo
>>
>>
>>     prof. dr. Paolo Ramat
>>      Università di Pavia (retired)
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>>     Accademia dei Lincei, Socio corrispondente
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>>
>>     Il giorno mar 11 feb 2020 alle ore 10:47 Haspelmath, Martin
>>     <haspelmath at shh.mpg.de <mailto:haspelmath at shh.mpg.de>> ha scritto:
>>
>>         I would talk about "confusion", not about "abuse", because
>>         there are many different kinds of linguistic theories.
>>         Moreover, the term "theory" can be used as a count noun (as
>>         in the last sentence), or as a mass noun ("linguistic
>>         theory", "grammatical theory"). Linguists rarely reflect on
>>         kinds of theories, or on kinds of senses of the word
>>         "theory", and the papers that Hartmut mentioned have not
>>         become well-known. So there is a lot of confusion.
>>
>>         In my 2010 paper on "Framework-free grammatical theory"
>>         (https://zenodo.org/record/814947), I distinguished four
>>         senses of "theory".
>>
>>         But there is confusion also about the relation between
>>         "typology" and "theory": Quite a few people have contrasted
>>         them as if they were different ways of doing linguistics, or
>>         different parts of research, e.g.
>>
>>         Hengeveld, Kees. 1992. /Non-verbal predication: Theory,
>>         typology, diachrony/. Berlin: Mouton de Gruyter.
>>         Polinsky, Maria & Robert Kluender. 2007. Linguistic typology
>>         and theory construction: Common challenges ahead. /Linguistic
>>         Typology/ 11(1). 273–283.
>>         Van Langendonck, Willy. 2008. /Theory and typology of proper
>>         names/. Berlin: De Gruyter Mouton.
>>
>>         But on the other hand, it is clear that "atheoretical
>>         typology" is impossible, so this usage is confusing. See this
>>         recent blogpost, which proposes an alternative:
>>         https://dlc.hypotheses.org/1915
>>
>>         Martin
>>
>>
>>         On 11.02.20 10:18, Hartmut Haberland wrote:
>>>
>>>         Jün-Tin Wang 1973. ”On the representation of generative
>>>         grammars as first-order theories.” In: Radu J. Bogdan and
>>>         Ilkka Niinilouto eds. /Logic,/ /Language and Probability/.
>>>         Dordrecht: Reidel, 302-316
>>>
>>>         Hans-Heinrich Lieb 1974. "Grammars as theories: The case for
>>>         axiomatic grammar (Part I)". /Theoretical Linguistics/ 1:
>>>         39-115.
>>>
>>>         Hans-Heinrich Lieb 1976. "Grammars as theories: The case for
>>>         axiomatic grammar (Part II)". /Theoretical Linguistics/3: 1-98.
>>>
>>>         *Fra:*Hartmut Haberland <hartmut at ruc.dk>
>>>         <mailto:hartmut at ruc.dk>
>>>         *Sendt:* 11. februar 2020 09:33
>>>         *Til:* TALLMAN Adam <Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr>
>>>         <mailto:Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr>
>>>         *Emne:* Re: [Lingtyp] The (ab)use of the term "theory" in
>>>         (generative) linguistics
>>>
>>>         Hans-Heinrich Lieb has written extensively about this in the
>>>         70s, also Jün-tin Wang. Hartmut
>>>
>>>
>>>         Den 11. feb. 2020 kl. 07.12 skrev TALLMAN Adam
>>>         <Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr <mailto:Adam.TALLMAN at cnrs.fr>>:
>>>
>>>             Hello all,
>>>
>>>             Does anyone have any sources that discuss the abuse of
>>>             the term "theory" in generative linguistics (or in
>>>             linguistics generally)? I figure that a paper like this
>>>             must exist given the deeply insightful comments that I
>>>             have received by some reviewers.
>>>
>>>             best,
>>>
>>>             Adam
>>>
>>>             Adam James Ross Tallman (PhD, UT Austin)
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>>
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