[Lingtyp] what is designated by a complement claus

[Juergen Bohnemeyer]

It would depend on the definition of ‘syntactic argument,’ I suppose. Not all complements in the first sense are considered syntactic arguments in RRG, whereas all complements in the second sense are considered syntactic arguments in Dependency Grammar. But the relevant definitions of ‘syntactic argument’ may not align. I can see that complements that aren’t treated as syntactic arguments in RRG might still be treated as syntactic arguments (complements in the second sense) in Dependency Grammar. – Juergen

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From: Nigel Vincent <nigel.vincent at manchester.ac.uk>
Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 12:01 PM
To: Juergen Bohnemeyer <jb77 at buffalo.edu>, Lixin Jin <jinlixin at hotmail.com>, lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org <lingtyp at listserv.linguistlist.org>
Subject: Re: what is designated by a complement claus
I assume that also in RRG (I love the typo 'Roll' for 'Role'!) complements in the first sense are a subset of those in the second sense even if the relevant definitions aren't syntactic.
Nigel

Professor Nigel Vincent, FBA MAE
Professor Emeritus of General & Romance Linguistics
The University of Manchester

Linguistics & English Language
School of Arts, Languages and Cultures
The University of Manchester



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Subject: Re: [Lingtyp] what is designated by a complement claus


Dear Lixin – OK, “I’ll bite” (i.e., let me try):



What is meant by ‘complements’ in this thread are subordinate clauses or verbal projections that are semantically (if not necessarily syntactically, depending on your favorite theory of syntax) arguments of their matrix predicates.



This notion of ‘complements’ overlaps with that of Dependency Grammar, which designates any and all syntactic arguments.



So if one assumes that all complements in the first sense are syntactic arguments (an assumption not shared, for example, in Roll & Reference Grammar), then under this assumption, complements in the first sense are a subclass of complements in the second sense.



Does this help at all? – Best – Juergen



Juergen Bohnemeyer (He/Him)
Professor, Department of Linguistics
University at Buffalo

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From: Lingtyp <lingtyp-bounces at listserv.linguistlist.org> on behalf of Lixin Jin <jinlixin at hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 8:13 AM
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Subject: [Lingtyp] what is designated by a complement claus

Dear Colleagues，

The extension of the concept of complement is a bit ambiguous. I don't even know how to determine what a complement is sometimes. Perhaps different languages have different complements (e.g. Chinese complements). What is the definition of "complement" we are talking about? Are the logical criteria for determining complements the same as those for attributive and adverbial? It would be interesting to know. Thanks!

Lixin
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