7.1545, Qs: South-East-Asian lang's, Corpus development, Clicks

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LINGUIST List:  Vol-7-1545. Sat Nov 2 1996. ISSN: 1068-4875. Lines:  159
 
Subject: 7.1545, Qs: South-East-Asian lang's, Corpus development, Clicks
 
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Date:  Tue, 08 Oct 1996 13:25:48 BST
From:  bartos at nytud.hu (bartos)
Subject:  South-East-Asian lang's -- query
 
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Date:  Sat, 02 Nov 1996 15:54:06 +0800
From:  aclynes at ubd.edu.bn (Adrian Clynes)
Subject:  query: corpus development
 
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Date:  Sat, 02 Nov 1996 03:28:29 PST
From:  mcv at pi.net (Miguel Carrasquer Vidal)
Subject:  Clicks
 
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Date:  Tue, 08 Oct 1996 13:25:48 BST
From:  bartos at nytud.hu (bartos)
Subject:  South-East-Asian lang's -- query
 
Dear Listers,
 
I need some info on a handful of South-East-Asian lang's, for inclusion
in an encyclopedia of languages.
The data I need is:
 
-  the name(s) of the language as used by its speakers, with gloss if
it has any other meaning than the reference to the language itself
-  the name(s) of the people as they use it in refernce to themselves
-  standard literature reference on these languages, incl. reference
grammars, introductory descriptions, coursebooks, important books or
papers on the grammar/phonology/history of the language (provided
they are accessible for a relatively wide public), in English, German,
French, or Russian
 
The languages in question are:
 
Khmer
Mon
Palaungic
Karen
Burmese
 
Plus a side-issue: what is the current stand on the relatedness of
Vietnamese to the Mon-Khmer languages?
 
Please reply to me directly. Thank you, in advance.
 
Huba Bartos
Research Institute for Linguistics
Hungarian Academy of Sciences
(bartos at nytud.hu)
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Date:  Sat, 02 Nov 1996 15:54:06 +0800
From:  aclynes at ubd.edu.bn (Adrian Clynes)
Subject:  query: corpus development
 
 
Some colleagues would like to compile a corpus of written (and
ultimately, spoken) English used in Brunei.  We will begin with a
corpus of learner English.  We would be _very_ grateful if people
could send information on one or more of the following topics:
 
1) concordancing software - Mac or Windows based: your experiences
with this/preferences.
2) tagging software - ditto.  including software which can cope with
interlanguage/learner english data.
3) Other useful software
4) Hardware: what do we need?
5) Useful, up-to-date references in the literature on corpus design
6) Any other sources for further, up-to-date, information we should
try
 
Please send replies to me.  I will post a summary of replies in due
course.  With thanks,
 
Adrian Clynes
aclynes at ubd.edu.bn
Dept of English & Applied Linguistics			
Universiti Brunei Darussalam, Brunei					
					
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Date:  Sat, 02 Nov 1996 03:28:29 PST
From:  mcv at pi.net (Miguel Carrasquer Vidal)
Subject:  Clicks
 
Dear Linguists,
 
	The latest revision of the IPA charts lists the following
click sounds:
 
bilabial           (.) [bull's eye]
dental             |
(Post)alveolar     !
Palatoalveolar     =|=
Alveolar lateral   ||
 
Not having been exposed directly to languages with clicks in them,
I'm still not too sure about the difference between ! and =|=.
My guess would be that ! is apical (post)alveolar, and =|= laminal
(pre)palatal, but if anyone knows the full story, beyond the
brief discussions in Pullum & Ladusaw's "Phonetic Symbol Guide",
I'd be happy to hear.
 
My main enquiry is the following.  In the European languages, clicks
are used non-phonemically, as "affective" sounds.  I guess this is
also the case in non-European non-click languages.  There is one click
I'm familiar with in that context, "clacking with the tongue", for
want of a better term, that doesn't seem to fit in the above IPA
classification.  It might be called a click affricate, or cluster,
because it starts with the !-click (or the ||-click?), but an
important acoustic effect ensues when the tongue "flaps" against the
lower teeth or jaw, the place where the tongue rests.  Three
questions:
 
1. Is this analysis correct?
2. If so, is this "clu[ck]ster" used phonemically anywhere?
3. How would one call such an articulation?  Sub-lamino-sub-dental?
   sub-lamino-sub-alveolar flap?
 
 
Regards,
 
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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
Amsterdam
mcv at pi.net
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