LL-L: "Pronunciation" [E] LOWLANDS-L, 06.MAY.1999 (03)

[R. Hahn]

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From: lone at studentergaarden.dk (Lone Elisabeth Olesen)
Subject: Re: LL-L: "Pronunciation" [E/S] LOWLANDS-L, 05.MAY.1999 (05)

Dear Lowlanders...

>Andy wrote:
>
>> I'd appreciate it if somebody could give me some examles of how the IPA
>> symbol number 323 Barred O is pronounced in any 'well known' language.
>> Apparently this was a traditional pronunciatin of the Scots <ui> in
>> Southern Scots. I've never heard it but need a description for my website.
>>

Ron answered:

>(...) ... Barred o represents a sound that is somewhere in the middle
>between the
>vowels in _Ton_ and _T{o"}ne_. Since you know German, try to say _Ton_ and
>slowly slide forward to _T{o"}n_ and stop somewhere in the middle, or do
>it the other way around if that is easier.  That produces a long version
>of that particular vowel.
>
>Swedish and Norwegian varieties have the high equivalent (the barred u)
>for /u/, but I am not aware of them having the mid-level one (the barred
>o).

I have only some experience of the IPA symbols... But as the description
goes, I would say that barred O as a phonetic symbol is present in both
Swedish, Norwegian and Danish...  But I suppose that these are probably not
the "well-known" languages.
A quick check in the Duden German grammar shows that barred O is described
as the *closed o" * in eg.  mo"gen (want/ would like)...
Greetings,
Lone Olesen

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at geocities.com>
Subject: Pronunciation

Hi, Lone!

You wrote:

>I have only some experience of the IPA symbols... But as the description
>goes, I would say that barred O as a phonetic symbol is present in both
>Swedish, Norwegian and Danish...  But I suppose that these are probably
>not the "well-known" languages.

Again: "Well-known" to *whom*?

>A quick check in the Duden German grammar shows that barred O is
>described
>as the *closed o" * in eg.  mo"gen (want/ would like)...

That seems odd to me.  Like German o" in _mo"gen_?!  I think not!  That is
[9] (a slashed o in IPA), as in Danish _st{o/}d_ or _h{o/}re_.  How old is
that source? Unless I am totally mistaken, the barred o stands for the
close-mid central rounded vowel (SAMPA [8]), i.e., it is halfway between
[o] and [9] and is the mid-level equivalent of the sound represented as
barred u (SAMPA [2]), which is the phonetic realization of /u/ in many
Swedish and Norwegian (not Danish) varieties and is the rounded equivalent
of the sound represented by IPA barred i (SAMPA [1]), e.g., the sound
represented by Turkish dotless i.

Regards,

Reinhard/Ron

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