LL-L: "Names" LOWLANDS-L, 12.AUG.2000 (02) [E]

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From: Henry Pijffers [hpijffers at home.nl]
Subject: LL-L: "Names" LOWLANDS-L, 11.AUG.2000 (08) [E]

Colin hef schreven:
>
>Interesting. Can we take it that the objection is to the use of "Holland"
>to mean "the Netherlands", rather than its correct use? If so, then I
>understand this entirely.
>
Yes, that's my objection against it.

>On the other hand, I don't understand the objection to "Dutch". I
>suppose we could say "Netherlandic", but what's wrong with "Dutch"?
>It isn't (to my knowledge) a _pars pro totem_ as "Holland" is.
>
I don't have problems with Dutch, because that's just the name for the
people
in the whole country. If you would be speaking of people in the _province_
of Holland, you'd say "Hollanders".

Henry

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From: mathieu van woerkom [mathieuvanwoerkom at hotmail.com]
Subject: "Names"

Op 12-aug schreef Collin:

>At 08:51 11/08/00 -0700, john feather wrote:
> >>
> >BTW, I have a friend who works at the Royal Netherlands Embassy in
London
> >who objects to English people using both "Holland" and "Dutch": not a
>very
> >diplomatic stance!
>
>Interesting. Can we take it that the objection is to the use of "Holland"
>to mean "the Netherlands", rather than its correct use? If so, then I
>understand this entirely.
>
>On the other hand, I don't understand the objection to "Dutch". I
>suppose we could say "Netherlandic", but what's wrong with "Dutch"?
>It isn't (to my knowledge) a _pars pro totem_ as "Holland" is.
>
>Colin Wilson.

I think that the objection  of "dutch" is because it looks a lot like
"duits", dutch for "German". (In German it's "Deutsch)

DUTCH       GERMAN          ENGLISH
Germaans    Gemanisch       Teutonic
(Germany-Netherlands-England-Scandinavia)
DUITS       DEUTSCH         German
Nederlands  Niederländisch  DUTCH

Mathieu,
from Dronten (Flevoland) the Netherlands

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