LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 01.DEC.2000 (02) [E]

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From: gvanmoor at aoc.nrao.edu
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 01.DEC.2000 (01) [E]

Ron Hahn wrote:

> Does _piets_ also occur in Dutch dialects and in Low Saxon dialects of the
> Netherlands?

'Zweep' and 'Karwats' both occur in Dutch (though 'zweep' is
by far the most common; 'karwats' sound old-fashioned to me,
almost nineteenth-century).  Of an equivalent of Low Saxon
'Pietsch', High German 'Peitsche' in Dutch I am unaware, but
I could not speak for the Low Saxon dialects in the Nether-
lands.  So SA 'Piets' could well be a Low Saxon loan.  Could
it have been borrowed from High German 'Peitsche'?  Or would
that have resulted in a different word?

Gustaaf

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

Thanks, Gustaaf (van Moorsel).

You wrote:

> So SA 'Piets' could well be a Low Saxon loan.  Could
> it have been borrowed from High German 'Peitsche'?  Or would
> that have resulted in a different word?

Most definitely.  I would expect something like *_paaitse_ then.

(The Slavic loan must predate the German /ii/ > /ai/ shift (probably something
like */piitSa/ or */piitS@/ or */piitS/ > /paitS@/). (Polabian varieties seem
to have had final schwa where other Slavic varieties have final /a/, but the
final schwa may be a German addition.)

Apparently, especially in the early Dutch colonial era in the Cape region,
speakers of Low Saxon were involved, including in the administration.  I
assume that they were from various parts of what nowadays are the Netherlands
and Northern Germany.

I would be very interested to find other Afrikaans words that can be strongly
suspected of having started as Low Saxon loans.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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