LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 24.JAN.2000 (04) [A/D/E]

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From: Gerda [gpieterse at intekom.co.za]
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 23.JAN.2000 (05) [A/D/E]

>Lowlands-L Administrator wrote:
>
>> From: Gerda [gpieterse at intekom.co.za]
>> Subject: Afrikaans - word origins
>>
>> Afrikaans - word origins:
>> PETOOR OUPA
>> >Vriende,
>> > Ek het al dikwels die benaming  PETOOR OUPA teengekom.
>> >Die besondere betekenis daarvan is ek nie seker van, is daar
>> > miskien van U wat my kan help.
>> >Ek vermoed dit is 'n Nederlandse woord.
>> >       Dankie,
>> >       Abraham Kruger
>>
>> This question came my way via the SA Rootsweb genealogy mailling
list.
>> My answer to Abraham was that it may have come from the word
>> 'betovergrootvader' as we use it in Netherlandic. ie the father of
>> one's great grandfather.
>>
>> Bet=pet
>>  over=oor
>>  grootvader=oupa.
>>
>> Gives us Petoor Oupa
>>
>> Would I be correct in this assumption? Has anybody ever heard of
this
>> word before?  I couldn't find it in my dictionary
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gerda

>Petoor oupa / Gerda
>
>Beste Low-Landers
>'t Woord petoor oupa is miskien verbastering van 't Nederlandse woord
>"betovergrootvader".
>In die Afrikaanse taal beteken 't:  ooroorgrootvader, ook
>betoorgrootvader of voor 't vergelyk ooroor-oupa, betoor-oupa.
>Die term bet is in 't Middelnederlands die komparatief by "wel" en
>"goet"
>(bet geboren, bet sijn met, hooger aangeschreven zijn bij
>(Middelnederlansch Handwoordenboek, J.Verdam, 1964).
>Van Dale noem die term "bet": (verouderd) als "beter".
>Die term "bet" kom voor in 't Afrikaans maar "pet" het ek nie in die
>Afrikaanse woordeboeke nie gesien, en miskien is 't ook nie 'n
>korrek woord volgens die gangbare spelling. Ek het ook nie gehoor van
'n
>klankwissel b -> p
>in Afrikaans.
>
>Jaap Woestenburg

Beste Jaap

Dankie vir die antwoord. Dit was my siening ook.

In uitspraak word die b miskien wel soms na 'n p verander. Ek kan
trouens maar aan een voorbeeld dink: petaal ipv betaal. Niemand skryf
dit egter so nie.

Die woord betoorgrootmoeder (een woord) kom wel in my Kritzinger/Steyn
asook my Kritzinger/Labuschagne voor, en ek kan my voorstel dat die
verbasterde uitdrukking 'petooroupa' meer 'n gesproke as 'n geskrewe
uitdrukking is. Sou ek daarmee korrek wees? Ek is nog steeds nie seker
of die uitdrukking  in algemene gebruik is of beperk is tot die
Oos-Kaap nie.

Groete

Gerda

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Frisian

> From: Gerda [gpieterse at intekom.co.za]
> Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 23.JAN.2000 (05) [A/D/E]
>
> >Lowlands-L Administrator wrote:

I did not write any of what follows (above).

Reminder: Please change the name as appropriate when quoting.

Reinhard/Ron
Lowlands-L Administrator

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