LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 015.SEP.2000 (05) [D/E/LS]

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From: Roger Thijs [roger.thijs at village.uunet.be]
Subject: LL-L: "Etymology" LOWLANDS-L, 015.SEP.2000 (04) [E/LS]

At 07:47 5-9-2000 -0700, you wrote:
From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology
 >>>>De Fraag' is of dat belgsch-nedderlandsche Woord _kot_ för 'n
Studentenkamer
mit dat Woord för 'n lütt Huus or mit dat ingelsche Woord för'n Klappbedd
verwandt is.<<<<

Duidelijk met het eerste.
In het (Belgisch) Frans is het alleen als studentenkamer binnengedrongen.
Voor het Belgisch Nederlands (cf. bijvoorbeeld in Nijhoffs Zuidnederlands
woordenboek):

kot, o, -ten en koten
1. ... hok ... schuurtje, loods, berging, bergplaats, bergruimte...
2. (Onconvent.) Bordeel, hoerenkast...
3. ... studentenkamer, met name in toepassing op kamers die door
particulieren aan studenten worden verhuurd...
4. verblijfplaats voor dieren: hok, kooi (voor vogels)...
5. (Gewest., inz. Brab.) Gat, opening...
(In de vijfde betekenis heb ik het nooit horen gebruiken.)
koterij: bouwvallig huis, krot
duivenkot, hondekot, kiekenkot, konijnekot, studentenkot, vogelenkot,
kotbaas, kotbazin, kotmadam, kotservice, kotstudent

Mijn _kotmadam_ (in Leuven) heette mij altijd "Meneer Rozjei", wat ik heel
raar vond.
Bij ons in Limburg was het:
- ofwel: voornaam (tout court)
- of: meneer + familienaam
maar nooit: meneer + voornaam.
In Leuven was dat laatste wel gebruikelijk.

Aan mijn vorig berichtje
 >>>> We actually use in Antwerp:
- "caracol" for the white snails, served in a cup in 'their soup", along
the streets
- "escargot" for the black snails, served with garlic butter in
restaurants. <<<<
wou ik nog toevoegen:
Escargot en caracol ken ik alleen voor de klaargemaakte slakken. Voor het
levend dier gebruik ik alleen "slak" (dialect "slek"):
- levend dier: Nederlands woord
- klaar om te eten: Frans woord.

Groetjes,
Roger
r.thijs at ieee.org

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

Roger,

The use of _caracol_ in Belgium, specifically in Antwerp, does not seem all
that surprising to me, given the Spanish connection.  _Caracol_ is the Spanish
word for 'snail'.  It also does not seem all that surprising to me that it
denotes a specific kind of snail prepared as food, differentiated from
French-derived _escargot_ for the large edible vineyard snails.  Loanwords
whose native meaning is the same (in this case French and Spanish ones) tend
to be used to refer to different varieties in the recipient language.

Gröten,
Reinhard/Ron

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