LL-L: "Morphology" LOWLANDS-L, 12.JAN.2001 (10) [E]

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From: Roger Thijs [roger.thijs at euro-support.be]
Subject: LL-L: "Morphology" LOWLANDS-L, 12.JAN.2001 (09) [E]

From: "Lowlands-L" <sassisch at yahoo.com>
To: <LOWLANDS-L at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG>
> From: Barbara Rentsch-Buschkoetter [rentschbuschkoetter at web.de]
> Subject: Morphology

1. In Flemish from France one still uses dative forms:
e.g. "Vlaanderen _den_ Leeuw" (cf. invitation "banket" MDSK for
2001-01-28 in Kassel, F.)
Certainly not a writing error, in French it sounds: La Flandre au Lion.

2. While in West-Limburgish, for the pers. pronoun sing. we use a
variant of the Brabantish "Gij" as _Dzji-e_ + verb form for 2d person
plural; in Central and East Limburgish one maintained de du-form.
Curious thing thoug: in most municipalities, the subject has a
accus.form.
Dich bést van Mille.

Regards,
Roger

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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at fleimin.demon.co.uk]
Subject: "Morphology"

> From: Barbara Rentsch-Buschkoetter [rentschbuschkoetter at web.de]
> Subject: Morphology
>
> 2.    You are talking about the genitive in English and ask, if I'm
> confusing "Case" with "form". You surely refer to the "genetive s".That
> may be interpreted as a relict from Latin assimilations, where the
> genitive endings are mostly with *s in the singular forms of masculine
> and neutral nouns, but why is the "s" in the "Saxon genitive" seperated
> by an apostroph? In the working dialect of the industrial area of the
> Ruhrgebiet (Dortmund, Bochum, etc.) people don't use a genitive, they
> day "mein Bruder sein Fahrrad" = "my brother his bike". Is it possible
> that the old "Saxon genitive" is a short form of "his"?

This construction does indeed occur quite commonly in written
records in Middle Scots. For example in the "The Court Book of
the Barony and Regality of Falkirk and Callendar (1638 and
onwards) we have entries such as this:

"And that the boundis and voyde rowme betwix the said hedge
and the said John Burne his housss on the eistsyde thairof
salbe for carrying of feall and devattis to the saids housss
for theiking thairof..."

I'm not sure what the consistent spelling of "housss" with a
triple "s" signifies (it's used even when there are no
genitives or plurals involved, and with some other words
ending in [s]), but note the "John Burne his housss" forming
the genitive as you quoted for Ruhrgebiet, and also note the
use of a "Saxon genitive" in the same sentence (though there
are no apostrophes at all in this book's orthography):

"...carrying of feall and devattis to the saids housss..."

Sandy

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Morphology

Sandy,

This is a *general* Low Saxon (Low German) construction, not only in Barbara's
neck of the woods.  It is applied especially were there is inalianable
possession; e.g., _de(n) Buur(n) sien Jung_ 'the boy/son of the farmer'.  In
other cases _vun_ or _von_ is used like English "of", e.g., _dat Book vun de
Deern_ 'the book of the girl', 'the girl's book' (~ _de Deern er Book_???).

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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