LL-L: "Language varieties" LOWLANDS-L, 20.JUN.2001 (01) [E]

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From: "Szelog, Mike" <Mike.Szelog at CITIZENSBANK.com>
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Reinhard wrote:

>The shift /...nd/ > /...ng/ in your example represents one of those
features
>that to me come across as "typically Rhenish."  I believe it predominates
in
>Limburgish.  Doesn't it?

Yes, it seems to be almost a "standard" of sorts - While in the Viersen area
(quite a while ago), I had tried to come up with some general "rules", for
lack of a better term, by which I could explain the how the local dialect
was different from NHG to fellow students - this shift of /...nd/ > /..ng/
was one of the first on the list! Would the vowel variations you mentioned
also account for the form "ös" and "bön" for "ist" and "bin". I can't say
that I recall that this was a "standard" shift (I to ö) accross the bord (I
don't believe so), but I would have expected something, for ös at any rate,
like "is" or "es" (e.g. the expression "Wat ös?!", also the example, from a
carved wooden door plaque, "Hee bön ich te Huus" ).

Regards,

Mike Szelog
Manchester, NH - USA
mike.szelog at citizensbank.com
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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language varieties

Mike Szelog wrote:

> Would the vowel variations you mentioned
> also account for the form "ös" and "bön" for "ist" and "bin". I can't say
> that I recall that this was a "standard" shift (I to ö) accross the bord > (I don't believe so), but I would have expected something, for ös at any > rate, like "is" or "es" (e.g. the expression "Wat ös?!", also the
> example, from a carved wooden door plaque, "Hee bön ich te Huus" ).

This seems to be a case combination of vowel lowering and rounding (i > e > ö,
or i > ü > ö) in closed syllables.  I am not aware of it occurring in
Saxon-based varieties.

In Saxon-based varieties, rounding (or labialization) in closed syllables is
very widespread, mostly under the influences of labial consonants (e.g.,
_ik bün_ 'I am', _ik will_ 'I will/want' vs _du wull(s)t_ 'thou
willst/wantest'), sometimes elsewhere (e.g., _Licht_ ~ _Lücht_ 'light').

I wrote:

> This type of varietation

Sorry about that.  "Variation" and "variety" got all entangled there.  It was
supposed to be "variation."

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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