LL-L "Etymology" 2002.08.28 (10) [E]

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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
Subject: "Etymology"

Luc Vanbrabant wrote:

> -duivekot (Doesn't that word  exist in English either, something like
> "dovecot") In Dutch it is duiventil

Yes, "dovecot". The Scots equivalent is "doucot" /'duk@?"/,
since the Scots for "dove" is "dou" /du:/.

This is the only word of the list that exists in Scots as
far as I know.

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
Subject: "Nomads"

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Nomads
>
>               Brgl.    Lova.   Kald.                 Sepe.
> great:        baro     baro    barikano              baro

There's a Scots slang word "barrie" meaning the same thing.

> to vomit:     chand-

So this must be the origin of the English slang "chunder"?

> non-Rom man:  gadzho   gazho   gazho, gazo           gadzho

As well as "gadgie", there's the Scots word "cadger" for an
itinerant peddler - would this be itinerant peddler as
opposed to true Rom?

At our school "cadgin" always meant attempting to get
something from someone by dropping hints.

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Sandy wrote (above):

> > non-Rom man:  gadzho   gazho   gazho, gazo           gadzho
>
> As well as "gadgie", there's the Scots word "cadger" for an
> itinerant peddler - would this be itinerant peddler as
> opposed to true Rom?

I'm not so sure, even though it sounds logical.  Most of these words
reached us second- or third-hand, via various jargons, such as
underworld, circus and tinker jargons, not necessarily directly from
Romany to English (or whatever other language).  So the ethnic
distinction may have been lost, and "gadgie" or "cadger" just came to be
a "slang" words for "peddlar".

Another such example I can think of is _Schickse_ in German, which in my
Missingsch dialect (or only in my weird family?) we sometimes use as an
"ugly but endearing" term, meaning something like "sweet, silly girl."
American English has the cognate "shiksa," denoting "non-Jewish
girl/woman" (usually in relation to Jews, e.g., "His mom wouldn't stand
for a shiksa as her daughter-in-law," or "Hunchback-shmunchpback, so
long as the boy doesn't bring home a shiksa").  Both come from Yiddish
_shikse_ 'despicable non-Jewish woman', based on Hebrew _sheqes_
'blemish', 'abomination' (the masculine equivalent of _shikse_ being
_sheygets_).  I think it's not unreasonable to assume that German
_Schickse_ was either borrowed indirectly (e.g., via Rotwelsch or some
such jargon), while English _shiksa_ was borrowed directly from Yiddish.

Back to Scots _cadger_, I assume it is related to "codger," originally
also 'peddlar', now 'old man' ("old codger," or, to quote the hip
English TV cook Jamie Oliver talking about his boss, "He's really a bit
of a codger").

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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