LL-L "Names" 2002.02.03 (08) [E]

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From: Anja Meyfarth <AMeyfarth at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2002.01.25 (01) [E]

Hello Lowlanders!

Stephen wrote:

> I read your 1996 translations and found them most interesting in their
> entirely self satifed tone, and charming world view.   Of particular interest
> to me was the use of the capitalized proper noun Tiet in the original;
> apparently, time or times in the translation.  This is my paternal family
> name!

And Ron answered:

> I doubt that the surname Tiet has anything to do with 'time' or 'tide'.  I
> suspect that it is related to what I believe is a Middle German surname:
> Tietze or Tietz, which I have been told is derived from the male given name
> whose surviving forms are Diederich, Diedrich, Dieter, Dirk, Dereck, Derek,
> Till, Tillmann, Tilo, etc., Diederich, Diedrich, Dieter being derived from
Old
> High German _diot_ 'people' and _rîhi_ 'rich', 'mighty'.
>
> Now, are Tietze and Tietz really Middle German, or are they Low Saxon
> Tied/Tiet with genitive _-s_, or do they have anything to do with _diets_,
> _duuts_, _duits_, _düütsch_, _deutsch_, _tiutsch_, _tedesco_, etc., for
> 'German', which are also derived from _diot_ 'people' and its cognates?
>
> However, then there is also the "German" (assumably Low Saxon) surname
> _Tiede_.  Hmmm ...

And there is a form "Zietz". I`m not sure if has the same origin, but
that
sems possible to me, that of Low Saxon "Tied" became "Zietz" when High
German
began its own way in language history. "I`m talking of the "Hochdeutsche
Lautverschiebung", but I cannot remember the correct english word for
it.
Help, Ron! :) ) I have relations with that name, living in the near of
Hannover (Nedersassen).

Greetings,

Anja

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

Moin, Anja!

> "I`m talking of the "Hochdeutsche
> Lautverschiebung", but I cannot remember the correct english word for it.
> Help, Ron! :) )

"High German sound shift," I s'ppose.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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