LL-L "Language contacts" 2002.07.31 (02) [E]

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From: "Wim" <wkv at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.07.31 (01) [E]

W!M wim verdoold

Hi!

About Finnish, Finnish is of interest to our discussion on an other
ground too,
Finnish is a very old neighbor of Germanic, and took over words from
Germanic
at an early date, the same counts for the Baltic languages.

I can only remember the word for king as an example. It has the old as
ending in Livonian?

Wim

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language contacts

The following words tend to be often listed as old Germanic loans in
Balto-Finnic:

'bread':
Finnish: leipä
Karelian: leipä
Votian: leipä
Estonian: leib
Veps: leib, liib
   cf.: Saami: láibe*
   cf.: Germanic:
          Gothic: hlaif
          Old English: hlaf
          English: loaf
          German: Laib
          Yiddish: lebn

'beach', 'shore':
Finnish: ranta
Karelian: rant
Votian: rand
Estonian: rand
Livonian: rânda
   cf.: Germanic: strand

Note: Finnic and Saami languages do not (at least originally) permit
initial consonant clusters, nor (again originally) final consonants, and
there is no /f/, foreign [f] being converted to /p/; hence *hlaif >
laipa, leipä, etc., *strand > *ranta ~ *randa (> rant ~ rand). (Many
Finnic varieties have a /nt/ > nd shift.)

* Could the Saami word be a Finnic (Finnish or Karelian) loan?  (Saami
["Lappish"] is a Uralic sister branch of Finnic.)

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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