LL-L "Lexicon" 2002.06.11 (02) [E]

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From: "luc.hellinckx at pandora.be" <luc.hellinckx at pandora.be>
Subject: Slagen-Dragen-Vragen

Beste leeglanners,

In Brabantish the verb "slaan" does not exist...not with a meaning of
"to hit" nor with a meaning of "to succeed"...only "slagen" is used...I
tend to think the variety with no "g" in the middle is restricted to
coastal areas along the North Sea...especially because there
traditionally such a "g" is very lightly (more like an "h" or not at
all) pronounced.
We have :
slagen-sloeg-geslagen (or geslegen); meaning usually "to hit, to beat"
or "to slaughter (an animal)"
dragen-droeg-gedragen (or gedregen); meaning usually "to carry, to bear"
vragen-vroeg-gevraagd ; meaning usually "to ask"
It would surprise me very much if ever the verb "slaan" was used in an
older version of Brabantish, but as I told you before, I don't have my
books with me here in Bangkok, so please correct me if I'm wrong...
If we want to express the fact that somebody has succeeded in something,
or has passed a test (in standard Dutch : "geslaagd") we'd say :
"A est er deu" in Brabantish, litterally "Hij is er door" in Dutch. I
can't think immediately of a specific verb expressing the (rather
abstract) meaning of "slagen" (D), "to succeed" (E)...unless "lukken"
maybe but that usually refers to objects, not so much to people.
Greetings...

Luc Hellinckx

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From: "Marco Evenhuis" <evenhuis at zeelandnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2002.06.10 (11) [E]

Ron asked:

> What is the Low Saxon (Low German) word for "stirrup"?  My guess is that
> it is *_Stiegbögel_ *['sti:Cbø:gl=], considering German _Steigbügel_,
> Dutch _stijgbeugel_, Afrikaans _stiebeuel_, (not predictable
> *_stybeuel_!), and (LS >) Danish _stigbøjle_.  Can anyone confirm or
> deny Low Saxon *_Stiegbögel_?

You mention Afrikaans _stiebeuel_, which sounds very
Zeelandic to me for the obvious reason that it has an _ie_
in stead of an Afrikaans _y_ (Dutch _ij_). In Zeelandic,
'stirrup' is _stiegbeugel_. Note that the g's in this word
are pronounced as an h (_stiehbeuhel), so the Zeelandic
and the Afrikaans words sound very similar indeed.
I always wondered about the influence of Zeelandic on
Afrikaans. It must have been quite substantial since a
large part, if not the majaority, of the first settlers in the
Western Cape were of Zeelandic origin. In other parts of
the world (US Virgin Islands: 'Negerhollands', Guyana:
'Berbice Dutch' and 'Skepi Dutch', the state of New
York 'Mohawk Dutch') the marks that 'Dutch' left
behind, are predominantly Zeelandic and can easily be
identified as such. I kind of expected the same for Afrikaans,
but apart from this _stiebeuel_ and some other small
examples, the Zeelandic influence in Afrikaans is not that
clear at all.

To come back to the 'horse-issue', Ron mentions the _klaphingst_
or _klophingst_. I already mentioned Zeelandic has the same word
for this handicaped stallion (with one testicle): _klop'iengst_. One
would expect it to be a Standard Dutch term as well, but as far as I
know it isn't.
Zeeuws has the verb _kloppe(n)_ in the meaning of 'to sharpen
a scythe'. I believe it goes a bit too far to state that a _klop'iengst_
is a horse that met a well sharpened scythe...

Anyway, a few more Zeelandic words related to horses:

_paerebagge_: feeding basket for horses
_paerebônen_: garden beans (once only good for horse food)
_paeremeêster_: a veterinary
_paeremogge_: crane fly
_paerepoôt_: club-foot
_paereroôze_: peony (Paeonia officianalis)
_'t paerestal_: horse stable
_paerestekel_: ? (Dypsacus silvestris)
_paerewachtertje_: wagtail (Motacilla alba)
_paerig_: in heat (only used in respect to horses)

and then:
_paerig_: forming a pair together
_paer_: even (French: pair)
_onpaer_: odd (French: impair)

Regards,

Marco

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