LL-L "Phonology" 2002.05.16 (10) [E]

[Lowlands-L]

======================================================================
 L O W L A N D S - L * 16.MAY.2002 (10) * ISSN 189-5582 * LCSN 96-4226
 Web Site: <http://www.geocities.com/sassisch/rhahn/lowlands/>
 Rules: <http://www.geocities.com/sassisch/rhahn/lowlands/rules.html>
 Posting Address: <lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org>
 Server Manual: <http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/1.8c/userindex.html>
 Archive: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/lowlands-l.html>
=======================================================================
 A=Afrikaans Ap=Appalachian D=Dutch E=English F=Frisian L=Limburgish
 LS=Low Saxon (Low German) S=Scots Sh=Shetlandic Z=Zeelandic (Zeeuws)
=======================================================================

From: "Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann" <Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann at epost.de>
Subject: LL-L "Help needed" 2002.05.16 (06) {E]

Hi,

yes, and I've got other problems too:

1.Phonetics:

I aspect it to be dangerous to use the phonetic kind of writing in my
special situation: I don't know any longer anything about phonetical
writing since my school days (about 30 years ago); where to learn it
(again)?

2.

In our special dialect of Low Saxon there is a thing like a *pre-*
diphtong,
very important to become respected as a "native speaker" of the regional
dialekt of "our" Low Saxon, which has to be regarded as to be very
similar
to Anglo-Saxon languages and dialects (sorry for my bad English!). How
to
point out that?

Regards

Fiete.

----------

From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

Fiete,

> I don't know any longer anything about phonetical writing since my
> school days (about 30 years ago); where to learn it (again)?

There are plenty of online tutorials for (re-)learning the phonetic
alphabet, e.g., http://www2.arts.gla.ac.uk/IPA/ipachart.html

> In our special dialect of Low Saxon there is a thing like a *pre-*
> diphtong,
> very important to become respected as a "native speaker" of the
> regional
> dialekt of "our" Low Saxon, which has to be regarded as to be very
> similar
> to Anglo-Saxon languages and dialects (sorry for my bad English!).
> How to point out that?

Fiete, I suppose those are triphthongs you are talking about (diphtongs
having two components and triphthongs having three components).

I, too, use those in Low Saxon (Low German), though -- shame on me! --
have been toning them down, pretty much changing them into diphthongs
when I'm not around other such speakers, I guess also because I have
some sort of "general" Low Saxon in mind.  However, I think I only use a
triphthong where here I tend to write the diphthong [o.U] or [oU].  For
instance, I render _Book_ ('book') in phonetic script as [boUk] and
_doon_ ('to do') as [do.Un], but I really ought to write them as [beoUk]
and [de.oUn] respectively.  Yes, this /ou/ is realized phonetically very
much like in Southern English "oak," "loan" and "go."  In some dialects
they say [eU] and [e.U] instead.  In other words, the first component
tends to be unrounded.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

==================================END===================================
 You have received this because your account has been subscribed upon
 request. To unsubscribe, please send the command "signoff lowlands-l"
 as message text from the same account to
 <listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org> or sign off at
 <http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html>.
=======================================================================
 * Please submit postings to <lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org>.
 * Postings will be displayed unedited in digest form.
 * Please display only the relevant parts of quotes in your replies.
 * Commands for automated functions (including "signoff lowlands-l") are
   to be sent to <listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org> or at
   <http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html>.
 * Please use only Plain Text format, not Rich Text (HTML) or any other
   type of format, in your submissions
=======================================================================