LL-L "Etymology" 2002.05.17 (01) [A/E]

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From: "John M. Tait" <jmtait at wirhoose.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.05.15 (05) [E]

Ron wrote:

>>_Penn_ [pE.n] for 'pen' is used also in some non-East-Frisian dialects
>>of Low Saxon (Low German), and there are also Dutch and English _pen_,
>>originally a feather for writing.  It comes from Latin _penna_ and must
>>be a very old loanword.

Still with this meaning in Shetland: 'maas' pens' [ma:s peins] = gulls'
feathers.

John M. Tait.

http://www.wirhoose.co.uk

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From: "John M. Tait" <jmtait at wirhoose.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.05.15 (03) [E]

Ron wrote:
>
>The small types of moth, the ones that eat holes into your clothes, are
>called _Mott_ [mOt] (feminine, pl. _Motten_ ['mOtn=).  (It's _Motte_ in
>German_.)

In Shetland, this is just a _moch_ [mO:x], though sometimes the small
ones are called 'letter flees'. The form _moch_ , with final [x], is
also used in the North East, though I don't think it's very widespread
on Mainland Scotland.

John M. Tait.

http://www.wirhoose.co.uk

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From: "Elsie Zinsser" <ezinsser at simpross.co.za>
Subject: Etymology

Dag, almal,

Ron se gebruik van die woord "Kunkelurers" laat my nou wonder.
In Afrikaans sou ons 'koekeloer' gebruik, vir 'skelmpies kyk'.

Is 'konkel' en 'koekeloer' familie van mekaar?
Is die twee woorde in ander laaglandtale aan mekaar verwant?

Groete,
Elsie Zinsser

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Dag, Elsie!

In Laagsassies kan 'n mens _kukeluren_ of _kunkeluren_ sê voor
'skelmpies kyk' = 'koekeloer' ('to look secretly', 'to spy').  (LS _u_ =
Afrikaans _oe_)  Ek het daarvan _Kunkelurer_ (~ _Kukelurer_) voor
_lurker_ gemaak.  Ek glo die volgende Laagsassiese woorde is aan dit
verwant:

kunkeln 'iets geheim doen', 'geheime verhaal' ('to do things
        secretely/quietly', 'to tell (other people's) secrets')
Kunkel  'vrou wat graag haar bure beloer en klets' ('neighbor woman that
        spies and gossips')

Groete,
Reinhard/Ron

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