LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.10.03 (03) [E]

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 A=Afrikaans Ap=Appalachian B=Brabantish D=Dutch E=English F=Frisian
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From: Mathieu. van Woerkom Mathieu.vanWoerkom at student.kun.nl
Subject: Language varieties

Mike Wintzer and Colin Wilson wrote:

> >I find about the same degree of Latin (Norman)
> >superstrate in Scots as in English. Shouldn´t one expect rather less
> >Normannic words in Scots than in English if the a.m. supposition was
> true?
>
> Not at all. Indeed, for centuries Scotland and France not only were
> allies against their common enemy, England, but also traded with each
> other a great deal, and so one might even expect to see *more

And George M Gibault wrote:

> The presence of many French loan words in Scots is not at all
> surprising
> for three reasons:
> 1. French was the "universal" (in Europe) language of culture in the
> Middle
> Ages
> 2. There were close political ties between France and Scotland, which
> often
> allied against England
> - in fact there is a Scots term for this - the "Auld Alliance." Bonnie
> Prince Charlie, for example, spoke French as his first language
> 3. There was a significant French immigration to Scotland in the 11th
> and
> 12th centuries (which few Scots realize) - such typically Scots names
> as
> Fraser Archibald and Stewart for example being Norman and Breton in
> origin.

I can confirm this, at university (I study regional planning) we recently
discussed the differences en simularities between European justice and
planning
systems. It was noticable that Scotland shares the basics with France, the
Netherlands etc. ('Napoleonic system'), whereas the other British nations
are
clearly different than the rest of Europe ('British system').
Clearly there was some sort of alliance between Scotland and France.

Regards,
Mathieu

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