LL-L "Etymology" 2002.10.20 (01) [|D/E]

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From: Wim <wkv at home.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.10.19 (04) [E]

Hi!

These three words ( puin koorts and paling , have "no etymological
explanation" according too my etymological dictionary.. (Koorts might be
connected with a word in sanscrit ....)   ( j. de vries/ f de
Tollennaere)(Het spectrum..   isbn 90 274 2947 2)

However it's not Paal...nothing to do with paling,  (and palindrome is
not the dream of an eel either.)
 well, and they are typical Dutch words. Western Dutch.  (They might
come from a substratum even, like for instance the word schaap is.  The
Germanic word for schaap, sheep, being ewe, ooi.)

Very interesting subject!

Wim [Verdoold]

wkv at home.nl

zwolle  netherlands.

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From: elsie zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.10.19 (04) [E]

Haai all,

Theo, <theohoman at yahoo.com>  in Afrikaans the 'paling' is a kind of fish
found in inland lakes. It is not an eel here but a nasty looking bony fish
with sharp teeth. I always suspected that the word relates to *aling or
'eel'.

"puin"  is 'rubble' and koors (koorts) means "fever" in Afrikaans.
I cannot imagine that the three words were connected at any stage.

Groete
Elsie Zinsser

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From: Luc Hellinckx <luc.hellinckx at pandora.be>
Subject: Etymology

Beste Theo (and other Liëglanners)

Here's some etymological information (< Jan de Vries) concerning ,

1) PALING : znw. m., mnl. pâlinc, paellinc, ook paeldinc, paeldrinc. Het
woord is uitsluitend nl. en blijkens de uitgang (zie
: bokking) een afl. van een woord paal. - Mag men wegens de vorm van een
dikke paling aan overdrachtelijke betekenis van paal
1 denken ? Moelijker kan men een afl. van het eenmaal voorkomende mnl. pail
m. 'poel, plas' aannemen, dat met poel zou kunnen
samenhangen.
De vorm paeldinc moet wel als de oudste beschouwd worden, want de
Palingdijk, een gracht tussen Bourbourg en Grevelingen,
heeft als oude vormen Palathingadic (1111) en Paledhingedic (1123).

2) PUIN : znw. o. eerst na Kiliaen bekend, een specifiek nnl. woord, vooral
in gebruik in Noord-Holland bezuiden het IJ,
Utrecht, N-W. Gelderl. en Overijsel en daarom wel als jonge formatie te
beschouwen. Verband met oe. punian 'stampen' (ne.
pound) is daarom niet waarschijnlijk. De herkomst van het woord is onbekend.

3) KOORTS : znw. v., mnl. corts, coorts, curts, m. (zelden) en laat-mnl.
cortse, curtse v., mnd. korts.
De beperkte verbreiding van het woord maakt het zeer twijfelachtig, of men
het verbinden mag met oi. jvarati (heeft koorts),
jvara- 'koorts, smart' (IEW 479).

They are intruiging words indeed, especially "koorts". In Brabant and
Flanders "kortsen" or "kortses" (always plural ! and a
short 'o') is the usual form. But apparently "kortsen" (pronounced kötsen in
Brabantish) have not always been associated
uniquely with 'heat', because Kiliaen testifies that in the 16th century
Brabantish "koud wee" used to be a synonym of
"kortsen". On the other hand there are words like "ne kaa" (B), "een
verkoudheid" (D), "a cold" (E) that seem to blame chilly
feelings for catching a cold. Knowledge of pre-scientific medicinal skills
seems necessary, I think.
Maybe it's the idea of suffering from brief spells of overheating,
interspersed with short periods of feeling cold that gave
birth to the word. Hence it would have to be derived from "short" (E),
"kort" (D). It's not entirely impossible that an
adjective becomes a substantive, because in Brabantish we also have the word
"köt" (probably short for "kort gekapt"), "kort"
(D) which signifies "kopvlees, zult" (D), "fromage de cochon" in French and
"hoofdflakke" in Flemish, meat being made from the
head of a pig or a cow that is often eaten with some mustard.

Regarding "paling" (D) I seem to remember that I once heard the word
"peurling" being used in Flanders for an eel.
This word can be derived from the verb "peuren" which means "to dig in mud
with a stick in order to make the eels come out".

Greetings,

Luc Hellinckx

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Luc wrote above:

> Regarding "paling" (D) I seem to remember that I once heard the word
"peurling"
> being used in Flanders for an eel.
> This word can be derived from the verb "peuren" which means "to dig in mud
with
> a stick in order to make the eels come out".

Interesting!

I assumed this Flemish verb _peuren_ (/pöör-/) is a cognate of Lowlands
Saxon (Low German) _purren_ (/pur-/ [p_hU3`-]), Eastern Friesland dialect
_puren_ ~ _puurn_ (/puur-/ [p_hu:3`-]), which means (intrans.) 'to stoke',
'to poke' (usually with a stick or such in dirt, sand, mud, etc.) and
(trans.) 'to spur on', 'to goad on', 'to provoke', 'to pester', 'to hound'.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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