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From: Gary Taylor <gary_taylor_98 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Pronouns

Dear Keith, Ron and everyone else,

Keith asked:

>Which brings me to "you'ns" (or maybe best >spelled
"yuns" with short
"u",
>contraction of "you ones" I think).
>Any reason why this should be the plural pronoun of
>choice and not
"y'all"
>as it is in most of the rest of the south (and
>increasingly elsewhere)?

Sorry, I can't answer this one, but I thought you
might like to know that 'yours' in Cockney (and some
Estuary) English can also be 'yourn' - i have the
feeling that this is a contraction of 'your one' but
there might be a more distant dialectal varient alive
here as I don't recall ever hearing 'theirn', 'ourn'
or 'hern' (hisn and itsn would just be ridiculous!),
however it would fit in with 'mine' and (arch.)
'thine'. Any ideas?

Gary

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From: Colin Wilson <lcwilson at btinternet.com>
Subject: LL-L "Categories" 2002.09.16 (01) [A/D/E]

At 19:30 16/09/02, Nigel Smith wrote:

>On a related note: my grandmother, a fluent speaker of Scots, would
>refer to a turkey as a _bubbly jock_. Anyone know the origin of this (or
>indeed if it is normal/common usage in Scots)?

It's certainly common enough here in the north-east. I've no idea
of the origin, unfortunately.

Guidwull tae awbodie,

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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
Subject: "Pronouns"

> From: erek gass <egass at caribline.com>
> Subject: LL-L "Pronouns" 2002.09.15 (01) [E]
>
> >From: Charles Keith Collins <ckcollin at indiana.edu>
> >Subject: Appalachian pronouns
> >
> >Howd'ye!  As a native of the southern Appalachians I have always wondered
> >why babies and small children are given the pronoun "it".  This
>
> You're following "traditional" gender patterns.  A child is
> neauter (hence,
> "it").  suggest not using once you're out of Appalachia, however.  It
> wouldn't be well rec'd by most parents elsewhere.

In Scots-speaking families the youngest infant is often
referred to as "the bairn" rather than by name. This
quite naturally leads to the use of "it" to replace this
genderless noun, although it's not mandatory. Thus the
following are both usual:

The bairn's in its bed.
The bairn's in her bed.

When using the actual name of the infant it wouldn't be
correct to say "it":

Wee Jenny's in her bed.

but not:

* Wee Jenny's in its bed.

Sandy
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