LL-L "Orthography" 2003.02.24 (09) [E/LS]

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From: Ian James Parsley <parsleyij at yahoo.com>
Subject:  Orthography

Ron,

Apologies for my gender errors, although actually they
make no difference to the point I was making - that
feminine seems to reflect the voiceless final, whereas
masculine/neuter doesn't.

I don't doubt there are many exceptions. But I am sure
my point was *something* to do with the change.

I actually thought the whole reform was a complete
waste of time and made the issue more confusing that
it previously had been, as evidenced by this very
debate!

That is again where I have a problem with 'academies'
and such.

Best wishes,

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Ian James Parsley
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JOY - "Jesus, Others, You"

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From: Ian James Parsley <parsleyij at yahoo.com>
Subject:  Orthography

Croistoir,

Haha! No word-wrapping around here, pal!

I never had any doubt at all that _judgement_ is more
common that _judgment_, and that _realise_ is more
common than _realize_ (and becoming more so).

I thank you for your 'evidence', but Chris' (and my)
point that _judgment_ stands as an *option* is to me
indisputable, since there is plenty of evidence for
*both*. _Judgement_ may be more common and more
logical, but _judgment_ remains clearly an option.
There *are* no authorities, which is why I have a
problem with people seeking to enforce one particular
spelling.

Your point about certain spellings being *perceived*
as Americanisms is absolutely correct. It is also
correct that there is a natural tendency in British
English (and possibly in other varieties, though I
can't speak for them) to try to differ from American
English, by choosing an exclusively British form over
one shared by both varieties.

You call this possibly a 'good thing', I see it as
rather pointless, but that is merely a matter of
opinion upon which we can agree to differ!

Regards,

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Ian James Parsley
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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
Subject: "Orthography"

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Orthography
>
> I don't know how long <judgment> has been in use, but I have known it most
> of my life (and that's longer than I care to admit), and
> <Wedgwood> must be
> a pretty darn old spelling too.  The exact number of years is perhaps not
> important.  Important is that they are at least _de facto_
> established.  The

There's also "Bridgwater" in Somerset (England).

These spellings aren't necessarily illogical, since,
except across compounds (eg "mudguard"), <d> before
<g> pretty much implies that the <g> is soft, because
with English phonology it couldn't be pronounced hard.
As for the <e> in <judge> it could be just the usual
penchant for semi-historical silent <e>s on the ends
of words!

As usual with English orthography, it's not a case of
deriving accepted spellings from rules, it's a case of
looking at accepted spellings and trying to figure out
what the rules might be. In this case, the rule that a
silent <e> must follow <dg> at the end of a word but not
necessarily at other places in the word is as good as any.
And that <dg> can't occur at the beginning of a word. If
God had wanted words to start with <dg> he wouldn't have
given us the letter 'j', and if it's God's will, who am I
to juj?

That's how I dgudg the situation anyway. It all starts
with the idea that a word can't begin with <dg> and
can't end with <j>. If your foundations are illogical, you
shouldn't be surprised to meet with a few paradoxes further
along.

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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From: Global Moose Translations <globalmoose at t-online.de>
Subject:  LL-L "Orthography" 2003.02.24 (04) [E]

Críostóir,

I really hate breaking this to you, especially since I'm otherwise
completely with you on this one, but even the standard British dictionary
Chambers gives "judgment" as the standard spelling, with "judgement" as an
alternative form.

Why are they doing this to us??? >sob<

Gabriele Kahn

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From: Peter Meylof <p.meylof at planet.nl>
Subject:  Frömde Woordn

Moi Loaglaanders,

Skrieft ieleu 'kompjoeter' of 'computer', 'plestiek' of 'plastic',
'e-meal' of 'e-mail' ensoverdan?

Wanneer besloet ene (men) um 't woord an te pasn an de eegn sproake?
As't heelmoal inburgerd is?

Loat mie effen weetn hoo at ieleu hieroawer deankt.

Goodgoan,

Peter

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