LL-L "Etymology" 2003.07.25 (04) [E/German]

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From: Brooks, Mark <mark.brooks at twc.state.tx.us>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.07.25 (01) [E]

Ron you asked:
Why can a male be referred to as "guy" in most English dialects?
Etymologists assume it is derived from Guy Fawkes, the English conspirator.
Why would his name be used to refer to "man," "chap," "fellow," "bloke,"
etc.?
Since my college, days I had always thought it was some derivation of "gum"
[E=man] from Gothic.  I don't recall if anyone ever told me that.  I might
made it up.  If so, chalk that one up to "student" etymology ;)

Mark

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From: Friedrich W. Neumann <Fieteding at gmx.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.07.25 (01) [E]

Hi, Theo <theohoman at yahoo.com>,

You wrote:

> Well, now I'm waking up. Because, reading about the
> Swedish Urian Oloffson, I [myself] like now to trace
> back Urian with its connotations to this Swedish
> person.
> And that's because there is an other name-giving like
> this: Pappenheim: Ik ken mijn pappenheimers, both in
> Deutsch and Dutch.[meaning: don't try to fool me, I
> know my people].
> Pappenheim was a Swedish general in the 30year-war in
> Germany (1618-1648).

At the homepage of the City of Pappenheim I found:

[Die älteste Form dieses beliebten Zitates ist ein] ...Ausspruch
Wallensteins im gleichnamigen Schillerdrama, in dem Wallenstein den Satz
ausspricht und damit die Treue und Zuverlässigkeit des Pappenheimer
Regiments um den großen Feldmarschall Gottfried Heinrich Pappenheim zum
Ausdruck bringen will.

Best Regards

Fiete.

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