LL-L "Celtic connections" 2003.06.03 (08) [E]

[R. F. Hahn]

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From: GaidhealdeAlba at aol.com
Subject: LL-L "Celtic connections" 2003.06.02 (06) [E]

There's been a lot of talk of genetics. It should be remembered that,
ultimately, all inhabitants of Britain and Ireland - past and present -
derive
from Eurasian gene pools and therefore it is no surprise that native
Britons might have shared the same genetic make-up (however reliable a
barometer that is), particularly in the east of the island, as the
Belgae and other continental Europeans.

The Belgæ were Celtic, I believe. They owned a large swath of land in the
center of what is now England, also. I'm not
sure if I recall correctly, so correct at will.

Uilleam Stiùbhart.

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From: GaidhealdeAlba at aol.com
Subject: LL-L "Celtic connections" 2003.06.03 (02) [E]

Ron,
Your characterizing of Welsh English reminds me of that possible link
between the Indians and the Celts. My question is
this, is it simply by chance that this link between accents when
speaking English developed? Or does the Celtic/Indian
link linguistically cause it? Or maybe (and most far-fetched) maybe
Welshmen taught the first Indians who spoke
English, English, and those Indians picked up the accent, and taught it
to other Indians, and more Indians, and more...

Beannachdan,
Uilleam Stiùbhart

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From: GaidhealdeAlba at aol.com
Subject: LL-L "Celtic connections" 2003.06.03 (06) [E]

To my knowledge present-day French doesn't have a lot of Celtic
loanwords either (just like English) and there's also a pretty sharp
dividing line between Brittany and the rest of France. Yet, I've never
heard of a massive Celtic exodus in France back then. Like Tom wrote,
many Celtic Belgae left the continent for Britain, those might have been
on the run for Caesar indeed,
but I've never heard of any other continental Celtic mass migration.
Surely, the Roman armies may have had a different impact on the local
population, compared with the Anglo-Saxon "troops" (if one looks at the
oldest Roman(ce) loanwords in Dutch dialects for example, he/she will
notice that quite often they are related to "sophisticated
culture"...hehe, back on track again Ron *s*). Later on, Frankish
(tribes) however, made a very substantial contribution to proto-French
(before being absorbed nonetheless)

What you forget is that by the time the Franks invaded, the Celts had
been thouroughly Romanized - Gaulish was almost
completely gone. Virtually everyone spoke Latin. Thus, Celtic loanwords
would be minimal anyway.

Beannachdan,
Uilleam Stiùbhart

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Celtic Connections

Tapadh leat, a Uilleam.

The first person you quoted was Críostóir Ó Ciardha
(paada_please at yahoo.co.uk), and the second person was Luc Helinckx
(luc.hellinckx at pandora.be).  Let's all (and not only you, Uilleam)
remember the rule (http://www.lowlands-l.net/rules.htm):

"Give credit
Don't forget to say who the writer of the text is to which you are
responding. (When you hit the reply button your system most likely
credits the administrator or "Lowlands-L," the sender, even if they did
not write it.)"

> Your characterizing of Welsh English ...

Remember, though, my disclaimer:
"According to one of those easy-to-remember
characterizations floating around, one that appears to be even less
accurate than that of Australian English being like Cockney, Welsh
English "sounds a bit like Indian English."

So, I meant to say that I don't really buy into it, though I can see
where it's coming from.

I hope you don't perceive this as picking on you.  Take it as "friendly
tweaking," something most people experience sooner or later, and I get a
great deal of it myself.  Bear in mind that your interest and
contributions are very much appreciated.

Mar sin leibh an dràsda!
Reinhard/Ron

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