LL-L "Language contacts" 2003.03.28 (04) [E]

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at simpross.co.za>
Subject: LL-L "Language contacts" 2003.03.27 (05) [E]

Haai almal,

Ron wrote: "Nevertheless, lexical and morphological differences between
Afrikaans and Dutch are considerable, and mutual comprehension again
depends on the subject matter discussed. (The more Africa-specific the
subject matter the less comprehensible Afrikaans is to speakers of
Dutch.)"

I agree but one should not forget that the first Afrikaans was not a
Standard Dutch but a dialectical Netherlandic
misch-masch influenced by Malay-Portuguese and Huguenot French, long
before Africa-specific influences touched it.

The 40-year old vowel shift in Afrikaans is probably an English language
influence. For example: gaan - gôn;
ma - mô; kyk - kaaik; lyk -laaik; mooi - moei.

Groete,
Elsie Zinsser

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language contacts

Elsie wrote (above):

> The 40-year old vowel shift in Afrikaans is probably an English language
> influence. For example: gaan - gôn;
> ma - mô; kyk - kaaik; lyk -laaik; mooi - moei.

So <kyk> = kaaik and <lyk> = laaik is now like or similar to (longer than?)
Modern Randstad Dutch pronunciation of <kijk> and <lijk> respectively?

What about [u:@] for <oo> (Dutch [o:] ~ [o.U]); e.g. <boom> = boeëm, and
<groot> = groeët?  Does it belong to the same set of shifts, or is it older?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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