LL-L "Orthography" 2003.10.02 (01) [E/LS]

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From: Holger Weigelt <platt at holger-weigelt.de>
Subject: "Orthography"

> From: Kenneth Rohde Christiansen <kenneth at gnu.org>
> Subject: LL-L "Orthography" 2003.10.01 (04) [LS]
>
> Actually there are a couple of things irritating me with the Sass
> orthography. The thing that irritates me the most is the h [:] ;-)
>
> When using the h in the orthography you always need to know the High
> German equivalent in order to see whether you should use h or not. This
> means that the orthography actually reflects German ethymology and not
> Low Saxon ethymology and that is a shame! It also make Low Saxon look
> more like a German dialect than a language on its own.
>
> Other things that comes to mind is the doubling of consonants, like
> Platt, Nett, kwamm - this was not used in the Low Saxon othographies
> used in the middle-ages. Also why do I have to write qu- for the [kw]
> sound and then kw- in kwamm, kweem? That doesn't make sence. 'kwam' was
> spelled like 'quam' in the middle-ages.
>
> The last thing is the use of capitals. Why not just use capitals for
> names (place names, person names, language names etc) and in the begin
> of a sentence? This seem to be what was used in middle-age Low Saxon as
> well.
>
> Cheers, Kenneth
>
> > From: Dan Ryan-Prohaska <daniel at ryan-prohaska.com>
>
> > Wi snakken ja vöör en paar weken över Platdüütsche schriifwisen.
> > Egentlich is mi dat gans egaal wo een schrift, avers wat mi persöönlich
> > opstöten daait, is dat stumme <h>. Ik kan dat nich af! Mi kümt dat
> > jümmers as en vremdkörper vöör.
> >
> > Nedderdüütsch un Hollendsch hebt so'n gode egen metood de lengde vun
> > vokalen an to geven: eenfach vokaalteken in de apen silbe un en duppelt
> > teken in de slaten silbe. Warüm schal een dan de wöör, de op Hooch mid
> > <h> schreven ward, op Plat ook mid <h> schriven. Ik vind dat unwiis.

Hello Dan, Kenneth and all !
If You'll have a look on my proposed orthography for Eastern Friesland Low
Saxon You'll find that there isn't any -h- where it doesn't belong. There
isn't left any doubling of consonants either except that places where they
work as links between syllables (G: Silbengelenk) belonging to the first as
well as to the following syllable. Length of vowels is solely represented by
the vowel-letter and its diacritic. Further I deleted letters like -x- (it
is -ks-) -qu- (it is -kw-) and -z- in the meaning of German pronounciation
(it is -ts-).
And I first had the idea to do so many years ago. You see there are people
in the Low Saxon area who share Your thoughts and cannot understand why
cultural institutions like the "Ostfriesische Landschaft" for Eastern
Friesland vividly avoid to invent an orthography that is Low Saxon instead
of German.
Kind regards
Holger

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From: Anja Meyfarth <anja-meyfarth at t-online.de>
Subject: "Orthography"

Moin Lowlanders!

Kenneth wrote:

> Actually there are a couple of things irritating me with the Sass
> orthography. The thing that irritates me the most is the h [:] ;-)

You are right. I'm trying to use it only when it is derived from an old g.
So it would be found in german words as well because mostly it comes from a
time when Low Saxon and High German were close. It then is a development of
both languages. As for the orthography i whole: Main problem is that
speakers of Low Saxon and authors as well are not aware that there are
speakers of our language not living in Germany. Only a few know about
Nedersksisch in the Netherlands or about spekers in the USA or elsewhere.
This disknowledge (or even ognorance) leads to an orthography based on
German to make it easier. Nevertheless most authors don't keep to Sass
becuase they want to represent there local dialect. In East Frisia an
orthography of its own is on its way because the "Diesel"
(www.diesel-online.de) is promoting it. It might become more widespread as
more readers are getting used to it even when living elsewhere i Northern
Germany.

Greetings from Kiel,

Anja

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From: sam claire <samclaire at mybluelight.com>
Subject: LL-L

JOHN, thanks much for your thesis It answered lots of questions I had.  In
the future, I would like to expound and expand on this subject with you.  By
the way, I revel in the fact that language study induces much learning about
how buildings are built, how food is prepared, or, in short, how everything
in life is done. Lowlands is a great encyclopedia.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Orthography

Anja wrote (above):

> You are right. I'm trying to use it only when it is derived from an old g.

Could you give us a couple of examples?

Thanks.

Reinhard/Ron

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