LL-L "Names" 2003.09.09 (11) [E/LS]

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From: Gustaaf Van Moorsel <gvanmoor at aoc.nrao.edu>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2003.09.09 (07) [E]

Ron wrote:

>>Harderwijk (which in LS would be Harderwiek) sounds to me like "Herder's
>>Bay" of "Shepherd's Bay."  If this is correct, I guess the Dutch version

and Floor replied:

> I don't know. Although Harderwijk is at the Veluwe border, where many
> shepherds will have been, it was mainly a harbour of the "Zuiderzee", if
> I am not mistaking. "Harder" is indeed a Dutch variant of "herder" but
> it is also a type of fish...

In the area there is also a small town called 't Harde, and
the name Harderwijk could have been derived from that.  The
second 'r' in Harderwijk would then be merely adjectival.

Gustaaf

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From: Anja Meyfarth <anja-meyfarth at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2003.09.09 (05) [E]

Moin moin!

As to second names used as first names: In North Frisia the sailors used
Newton or Neuton as a first name for their sons in respect to Isaac Newton.
Nowadays it isn't used any longer - quite a pity.

Greetings from Kiel,

Anja

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From: Anja Meyfarth <anja-meyfarth at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2003.09.09 (02) [E]

Moin moin!

Evert wrote:

> In my mother tongue, Dutch, a "wijk" means a part of a village or city.
> Sometimes, it's used for the whole village or city, like my place of
birth:
> Harderwijk (or Harderwiek). I wonder if the same applies to other
languages?

and Ron answered:

> This is also very common in place names of Northern Germany, in Lowlands
> Saxon (Low German), Frisian and Danish.  It occurs as _-vik_, _-wyk_,
> _-wiek_ and _-vyk_.  The largest town on the North Frisian Island of Feer
> (German _Föhr_) is simply Wyk.
>
> Harderwijk (which in LS would be Harderwiek) sounds to me like "Herder's
> Bay" of "Shepherd's Bay."  If this is correct, I guess the Dutch version
is
> only half converted, ought to have been *_Herderwijk_.

There is one town more: Braunschweig, in LS Brunswi(e)k. And here in Kiel a
part of the town near the channel is called Wik. LS "Wik" (G "Weiche") is
also known from the towns-right (if this expression is the right one). That
area still belonged to the town but was lying out of the walls. How far this
reached isn't sure. There were the pastures for the cattle of the
inhabitants, orchards and even some fields.

Greetings from Kiel,

Anja

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From: Friedrich-Wilhelm Neumann <Fieteding at gmx.net>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2003.09.09 (02) [E]

Moin un' Gau'noobend, Reinhard, Lowlanners,

miin Jüngsten heeit "Eybe".

Siin Graudvadder koomt uut Oostfreesland, un' wii wullen emm 'n
moodschen Freees'schen Noom'n geeven.

Ick docht jümmer, "Eybe" wöör Frees'sch, haar woll mit dennen Boaum
(UG): "Eibe", (E:) "yew (tree)"[why that?], (Latin): "taxus baccata" tau
kriegen.
Nu heff ick jichenswo in'n "klauk Wöörboauk" leest, watt dat heel gonnix
mit dennen Boaum, un' ook nix mit Frees'sch to dauhn hebben schall.

Dee Noom'n ward in uns Rabeeid fooken vergeev'n- ook föör Deeirns.

Watt meeint datt woll, un' woneem koomt dat woll von aff?

Greutens

Fiete.

(Friedrich W. Neumann)
Not Lucifer I fear
but those almighty Gods

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