LL-L "What does it mean?" 2003.09.14 (05) [E/S]

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From: Andy Eagle <andy at scots-online.org>
Subject: LL-L  What does it mean? [E/S]

>James Fortune wrate:
>Ron is quite correct when he says that "ta'en" is "taken"...
>however, like
>with most Lowlands languages I guess, it's not that simple. Scots is
>a
>language that has a fair few dialects, and according to the Chambers
>Concise
>Scots Dictionary:
>
>tak
>take
>tack

Tak an tack is juist twa weys o writin the same wird [tak] for
ordinar spelt Tak. Take aiblins juist represents the Sooth Scots
pronunciation [tek].

>tuk
>teuk
>tyeuk
>
>all mean "take" and:
Thon wird is equeevalent tae English 'took' cross-dialect spellin
'teuk' representin the pronunciations [t(j)ʌk, t(j)uk]
>
>tane
>ta'en
>teine
>teen
>tacken
>tooken
>
>all mean "taken" ! I'm from the South East corner of Scotland
>(Berwickshire
>to be precise) and I would tend to use "tane". I think "ta'en" is
>(a)older,
>and (b)would tend to come from the South West / Ayrshire. You see it
>a lot
>if you ever read any Burns.

'Taen' is awfu braid-spreid. Pronounced [tin] in the North East.
Aiblins 'tane' wad be a mair better spellin for tae shaw
the kenspeckle cluster <ane> /en/ an /in/ in the North East.
'Takken' ['tak at n]an teuken ['tuk at n] is fund an aw.

Ye whiles see spellins lik 'tuik'. The <ui> represents a differin
unnerlyin phoneme than in wirds lik 'guid' an is better
evytit. Historically fae Anglo-Saxon lang /o/ but afore /k/ an /x/
this becam /(j)ʌ/ or /(j)u/ for ordinar written <eu> e.g. 'beuk'
an 'sheuch'.
In ither wirds written <ui> Conservative dialects haes /ø/, central
anes haes  /ɪ/ short an /e/ lang eg. An northern /i/ wi a /w/
glide efter /g/ an /k/ 'Guid', 'puir' and 'schuil'.

Andy Eagle

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