LL-L "Morphology" 2003.09.27 (07) [E]

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From: Jan Strunk <strunkjan at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Morphology" 2003.09.27 (02) [E]

Hello,

Ron wrote:
> Might this _Junk_ be related to objective _enk_ 'you' (plural) and _Enk_
> 'you' (polite singular/plural) in Westphalian Lowlands Saxon (Low German)
> dialects?

Yes, it is. Southern Westphalian dialects normal
use the old dual form for second person plural pronouns.
Nom. it/jit/git
Acc. ink/enk
The possessive is also formed that way: ink/inke/inken.

Northern Westphalian dialects usually use the ordinary
second person plural pronouns.
Nom. ji
Akk. ju
Poss. jue

Guedgaon!

Jan Strunk
strunk at linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de

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From: John Duckworth <jcduckworth2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Morphology

Rona wrote:

"Henno (above):

> "jat" (you two), object case "junk".

Might this _Junk_ be related to objective _enk_ 'you' (plural) and
_Enk_ 'you' (polite singular/plural) in Westphalian Lowlands Saxon (Low
German) dialects?"

Since the Old Saxon Second Person Plural Accusative and Dative Pronoun was
_inc_, it looks like the Modern High German ( i.e. Standard German) Second
Person Plural Accusative and Dative _euch_ actually have come from an Old
Low German dual form, as the Old High German has Second Person Plural
Nominative _gi_, Accusative / Dative _iu_. Old Saxon 2nd Pers. Dual Nom.
_wit_ and its Acc./ Dat. unk were not adopted by Modern German.

Old Saxon _wit_ (we two) and _git_ (you two) are obviously very close to the
modern Frisian examples, as are their Acc./Dat. I think the Old English
forms were very rare, though I remember coming across some.

The Swiss German 1 st Pers. Plur. Nominative form is _öis_, and the 2nd
Pers. Plur. form is _öi_, it looks to me as if both these forms come from
the same source as Standard German _euch_.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Morphology

Thanks, Jan and John!

Note also a(n older?) Lowlands Saxon (Low German) dialectal variant of _ju_:
_juug_ [(d)ju:x].

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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