LL-L "Phonology" 2004.08.17 (09) [E]

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From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2004.08.17 (03) [E]

Dear Gary, John Feather & Ron,

Subject: How do you say .. ?

> I would probably say
> "Baw War" because of the common vowel sound (and it sounds affected not
to)
> but I would use "oo" and possible even short "oo" plus a slight schwa in
> "Boer" standing on its own to distinguish it from "bore".

Like, pardon the interjection, "bo:@r" (South African English)?

The Afrikaner, of course says "bu:R"

When rustics in Southern England, I forget which dialect groups, call each
other 'bur' (as it is written) how do they pronounce it? What does it mean,
exactly, nowadays?

Yrs,
Mark

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From: David Barrow <davidab at telefonica.net.pe>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2004.08.17 (03) [E]

>From: john feather <johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk>
>Subject: How do you say .. ?
>
>Gary mentioned the falling-together of the sounds in words like
>paw/pore/poor/pour.
>
>I think most Londoners would not distinguish tor/tore/tour but I don't
think
>they would use the same pronunciation for daw/door and dour, though they
>probably wouldn't use it very often in any case.
>
>I don't think "boor" is used very frequently, especially by speakers of
>London Demotic, and I suspect those people who say "oo" do it either to
>avoid confusion with "bore" (middle class) or because in their sociolect
the
>"oo" is still in use in similar words like "poor" (upper middle class).
>Disclaimer: class differences cited for guidance only. I would probably say
>"Baw War" because of the common vowel sound (and it sounds affected not to)
>but I would use "oo" and possible even short "oo" plus a slight schwa in
>"Boer" standing on its own to distinguish it from "bore".
>
>I don't quite understand about "pure". I would say that Londoners pronounce
>it "pjure". My grandmother from Norfolk pronounced it something like
"purr".
>
>I didn't want to discuss any particular utterance of "Ich bin ein Berliner"
>because German lies outside the Lowlands field and enough has been written
>about it already. It's all there on the internet - every opinion you could
>possibly imagine and probably more.
>
>John Feather
>johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk

For many of us from the south of England/U:~U@/ has become /O:/ in most
instances. It has become so even where a /j/ is involved:  pure =
[pjO:]; cure = [kjO:]

David Barrow

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