LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.08.30 (06) [E]

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From: denis dujardin <dujardin at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.08.29 (06) [E]


Apart from that, what tickles me, & has for a long time, that the 'Anglian'
features of Old English & Modern English are closer to Afrikaans than the
Anglo-Saxon English of King Alfred's Court.

Why would one refer in this context to Afrikaans, which in fact is a very
new language, whereas Afrikaans itself was influenced and has loads of
sound-similarities with "westnederfrankisch" dialect Westflemish?

grtz

denis dujardin
westflanders.

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.08.26 (07) [E]

> From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
> Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.08.25 (12) [E/Cornish]
>
> One more thing - when exactly was that fearsome inundation in which
> the sea
> broke through the 'Dutch' coast behind the heads that were to become
> the
> Fries islands? I read that the Zuider Zee was a recent phenomenon, in
> historical terms, & the Nederlanders have spent the time since then
> winning
> back the same lost land from the sea.
>
> I imagine the final event must have been awesomely catastrophic, but
> the
> writing was surely on the wall for some time before then. I reckon if
> the
> Bangladeshi's heard of a dry place they could go to, now, they'd go! So
> where did all those pre-inundation Angels & Fries go to? Guesses!
>
> Yrs,
> Mark
Just look into our archives about Frisian histories and the lnks
between Saxons, Angels, Flemish and English.
The Anglo-saxon coast started in the region of Boulogne all the way up
to the  (now) Danish border.
Look at the toponymes and see for yourself that all the placenames in
what is now Friesland and/or Northern Germany have an 'ancestername' in
(French-)Flanders. Somehow there must have been a lot of traveling
going  around in the first millennium.
When you are in the region of Watten in France, you still can see the
old bounderies of what once was the "Almere", centre of the old Frisia.
One of the last Frisian names was that of "Robrecht de Fries" a count
of Flanders in the region of Cassel in France.
And the Angels, living in the "corner"(Boulogne) near the big  island.
Look at the placenames and compare them  with those on the other side
of the Channel.
A lot of historie has been "fastened" to quick.
I know that these are theories that  are very alternative. But i find
them rather logical, more than i can say of a lot of official stories.
I find this knowledge in an  already mentioned periodical "Semafoor".
On the  sixth  of november they give a  symposium with the following
program:
-four alternatives for Traiectum
(Utrecht/Maastricht/Antwerpen/North-West-France)
-inhabitation-history of the low countries in the early Middle Ages.
-the phenomenon  of falsification in connection to "Fulda".
-a new book about  Willibrord and Bonifatius, and where they  worked.

groetjes
luc vanbrabant
oekene

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.08.28 (03) [E]

> Dan wrote:
>> The Old English dialects called Anglian most likely developed their
> distinguishing features in Britain. So there is no one continental
> dialect
> which can be considered the parent dialect of Anglian, but it was
> rather a
> levelled colonial amalgam of several dialects. The situation is no
> different
> for the Saxon dialects of Old English.<
>
> If this is the case, can anyone suggest any reason why much the same
> mixture
> of source languages gave two distinct language groups in "England"?
>
> John Feather
> johnfeather at sceptic1.freeserve.co.uk
>
Why should a London professor study Old  Flemish in order to
understand Old English  better?
Is there not a hesitation to concider the oldest known West-Flemish
sentence "Hebban olla vogalas nestas bigunnan..." to be also Old
English ? So...

groetjes
luc vanbrabant
oekene

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