LL-L "Names" 2004.12.07 (02) [E]

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From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.12.06 (14) [E]

Dear Tom

Subject: LL-L "Names"

> There are plenty of non politically correct terms for the politically
> correct!

Conceded, but here we daintily aver that we should honour them with some
suitably non-confrontational - & of course gender non-specific term
> Where does German come from? And what is the real meaning of Deutch?

I waaaas going to mention  German = 'gar - man' = spearman (Last read in Old
English) & throw in the Irish term for Tuatha (Tuatha De Daanan) The People
of the Goddess Danu; and Gothic 'Theoda' (People / Nation) as well as
Tolkien 'Eotheod' (Horse People) - The Riders of Rohan, as well as the
surviving concept of government or council, 'Diet' (How I loved that as a
kid, 'The Diet of Worms) but Ron onderskepped me - thoroughly - again - Oh,
well.

Yrs All round,
Mark (Apenboontje moesie, indeed!)

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From: Peter Snepvangers <snepvangers at optushome.com.au>
Subject: Names

Hello Ron,
just catching up on emails today.
You wrote...
I usually, when accuracy is important, refer to myself as "profoundly
deafened", otherwise just "deaf". Other people can call me what they like, I
won't hear them  :>
Over here in the land of Oz we say we have "Selective" deafness. This means
we "Only hear what we want to hear". A good example is when my lovely wife
asks me loudly to help wash the car and funnily enough I do not hear. Yet!!
I can hear her whispering to her sister  from 20 metres away they are going
to the shops for a fashion spree. Funny thing that!
Cheers
Peter Snepvangers
snepvangers at optushome.com.au

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From: Mike Morgan <Mike.Morgan at mb3.seikyou.ne.jp>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.12.06 (14) [E]

Tom Carty <cartyweb at hotmail.com> said:

> Eskimo causes offence to eskimos: soory if any are reading this! as it
means
> 'he who eats raw flesh', they call themselves Inuit. [pron: in-u-it, or as
> some joke 'I knew it!']. They see Eskimo as deragatory.

To which, R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com> replied:
> Only the Inuit people do (sg. _inuq_ 'person' -> _inuit_ 'persons',
> 'people', _inuqtitut_ for the language), not the Yupik (of Western Alaska
> and Siberia who say _ieupiaq_ for a person and _ieupiatun_ for the
> language).

Actually, it's even more complicated than that. The term "Eskimo" is in fact
"appropriate", in the context of Alaska (NOT Canada or Greenland) to refer
to the combination "Inupiaq and/or Yup'ik (and maybe Aleut?)" - since
calling a Yup'ik "Inuit" (the singular is inuk) is somewhat like calling a
New Zealander "Australian" - and the collocation "Inuipiaq and/or Yup'ik" is
a bit clumsy. (n.b. Inupiaq is the Western, i.e. Alaskan, form of the word).

And in Greenland "Inuit" are actually Kalaaleq (pl. Kalaallit).

And of course, as in many languages, we have the problem that what "inuk"
really means is "person, human being". SO, we are ALL "inuit", isn't it?just
means "human being" (the etymology for the term everywhere),

Mike Morgan
Kobe City University of Foreign Studies
Kobe, Japan
Mike.Morgan at mb3.seikyou.ne.jp

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

Mark:

> but Ron onderskepped me - thoroughly - again - Oh, well.

Sorry, Mark.  I'm afraid that an Oldbaas prerogative or advantage.

"Saxon" comes from the short sword called _sahs(o)_, surviving as English
_sax_ (< seax, sex, sæx) and in Scandinavian plural _sakser_, _saksor_, etc.
> Finnish _sakset_ (while Estonian seems to have borrowed the equivalent
_käärid_ pluralized from Middle Saxon _skêr_, related to English "shear").

But what about "Frank"?  Some believe the Franks were name after their main
weapon also: what in Old English is _franca_: a javelin.  It is interesting
that "Frank" is the basis of words for "Westerner," "European," "Christian"
through large stretches of Eurasia, all the way into Western China; e.g.,
Turkish __, Arabic فرنج٠ _firinji_ (pl. فرنجة _firinja_), Farsi فرنگى
_farangî_, Kurdish _ferhengî_, Hindi  फ़रेन्घी _farenghî_, Malayalam ഫരഹഗഈ
_farengî_, Tamil ரெங்க _farengî_, ரங்கி _farangi_,  பிரங்கி _pirangi_,
Indonesian _barang_, Malaysian _palang_, Thai ฝรง _farang_, Vietnamese _lan
khắp_.  This goes to show the "fame" Charly (Charlemagne) and his
Frankish-dominated hordes used to have.  Apparently, East European words for
"king" or "ruler" were based on his name Karl (apparently meaning 'guy',
'man'; cf. "churl", _Kerl_, _karl_, etc.); e.g., Polish _król_, Czech
_král_, Slovak _kráľ_, Belarusian кароль _karol'_, Ukrainian король
_korol'_,  Russian король _korol'_, Hungalian _király_, Croatian _kralj_,
Bulgarian краль _kral'_, Latvian _karalis_, Lithuanian _karalius_, Romani
_kralis_, Turkish _kral_, Azeri _kral_, Tatar _король _korol_, Kazakh король
_korol_.

Mike:

> And in Greenland "Inuit" are actually Kalaaleq (pl. Kalaallit).

But also _Inuq_ (pl. Inuit_).  Or is this one now reserved for the northern
"tribal" people or traditional Greenlanders as distinct from _Kalaallit_
"Greenlanders," nationals of Greenland (_Kalaallit Nunaat_), not all of them
are "Eskimo," or not entirely so?  Isn't a purely Danish-descent Greenlander
also a _Kalaaleq_?  That has been my impression, but I may be totally off
there.  Perhaps our Danish friends could tell us (or if there is anyone in
Greenland unbeknownst to me).  Inuuguloq, tikilluarit! Ikiulaannga!

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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