LL-L "Etymology" 2004.07.20 (06) [A/E]

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From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.07.19 (07) [A/E/German]

Dear Reinhard & John,

Of course the LARP fraternity post-dated, by just a bit, the explosion of
popularity of Tolkien in the USA.
Those who played D&D, & designed that & similar games, knew the books well,
& found in them ready inspiration for their own inventions, not to mention
rich ores for their delving! Tolkien is recorded having said, "These young
people are involved in my tales in a way that I am not!"

> About "orc",

> I'd say large numbers of Americans under the age of about 45 are quite
familiar with the word, even if they
> don't know where it comes from.

John; geluk en aangename kennis!

> Mark het gesê, ten opsigte van "orc":

> > Well, in Afrikaans schoolboy slang, to call someone an 'urk' - [@rk] is
to
> > denounce him as a graceless monstrosity.

> > Bilbo teases the spiders in Mirkwood to a frenzy by singing a song
calling them
> > 'attercop', Afrikaans 'etterkop' - (pus-head).

> Daar staan Mark se etterkop, vris en sterk.  Mar ek moet sê dat,
kontekstuëel  gesproke, dit vir my onredelik > is dat 'n vier-jarige knapie
van 'n koloniale Engelse familie "etterkop" kon geleer het. Sulke
"rooinekke" sou  > nooit Afrikaans geleer het nie, veral in 1896 nie.
Nederlands, miskien ja, óf in die Vrystaat óf die Transvaal,  > waar
Nederlands die amptelike taal was.

Ek stem nie saam nie. Ek onthou hoe ek op daardie ouderdom deur die
volwassenes uitgelag is oor vuil taal wat ek van 'n ietwat ouer maatjie
geleer, en in hulle geselskap gebruik het (die gelag het harder getug as
enige streepsuiker, ek sê jou!).
Nog wat: Anthony Trollope, die roman skrywer (Barsetshire Chronicles), het
Suider Afrika deur getoer, net 'n bietjie voor daai tyd, en daaroor boek
geskryf. Onder andere het hy Bloemfontein in die Vrystaat besoek, en daar,
soos ons lees het die bittere gees wat in die Transvaal reeds ontstaan nog
nie ontwyk nie. Boer en Brit het mooi oor die weg gekom, beide sosiaal en
professioneel.
Die hart van die huishoud in die jare is die kombuis gewees, veral vir die
kinders, tussen die bediendes, en in daardie jare is Afrikaans maar 'n
kombuis-taal, nê? Hollands, in teendeel, veral in 'n Engelssprekende gesin,
sou net nie voorgekom het nie. Ja, selfs in Afrikaner geledere is dit net in
skool, en dit net in klas, geleer.
Om 'n voorbeeld van die blootstelling wat 'n Engelssprekende kind van
daardie jare aan Afrikaans geniet het, lees maar gerus 'The Diary of Iris
Vaughan' - al te prettig!
Skryf maar nog, John!

Die Uwe,
Mark

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