LL-L "Etymology" 2004.07.26 (09) [E]

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From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.07.23 (03) [D/E]

Dear John & Ron,

Subject: Idiomatica

[Cognate with West Frisian _oat_, Dutch _oot_, Dutch regional (West Flemish)
> _ate_, _ote_, (Zeeland) _ōōt_, _ōōte_, all in sense 'wild oat' (cf. sense
> 3); further etymology uncertain: perh. < the same Indo-European base as
> ancient Greek οἱδεῖν]
> </quote>

Thanks, but then why do we in Afrikaans call it 'hawer', & where does
'haver' come from?

Yrs,
Mark

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Mark,

The word group you are asking about is predominant in the Continental
Lowlands languages; e.g., also Dutch _haver_, Westerlauwer Frisan _hjouwer_
and Lowlands Saxon (Low German) _haver_ ~ _haber_, also German (_habero_ >
_habere_ >) _Hafer_, Yiddish האָבער_hober_, Danish _havre_, Norwegian
_havre_, Swedish _havre_, Icelandic _hafra_.  The German form is suspected
of being a Lowlands Saxon loan, having replaced _Haber_, which is still
found in non-standard dialects as also in Yiddish (see above).

The etymology is apparently obscure.  It is suspected to be derived from the
word for "goat" (Germanic *_haƀra_, cf. Latin _caper_ < Indo-European
*_kapro-s_), thus used to be considered *"goat's corn," or *"buck wheat"
(!).

Groete,
Reinhard/Ron

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