LL-L "Names" 2004.07.30 (04) [E]

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From: Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. <roger.thijs at euro-support.be>
Subject: Names

In Dooghe, De Clovis à Charlemagne, 2000, MCD, Wattignies,  ISBN
2-912886-04-X (in stock in both the Furet and the Fnac in Lille) I found p
50-51 a list of names in franconian form (Merovinger times), followed by
medieval and modern French forms.

I didn't realise so many French names are (eventually) of Franconian origin,
nor do I understand all roots as e.g. "chrod"(?) and "gar"(?) for finally
"Roger".

Question:
Are similar (Low-)Saxon roots very much different from the Franconian roots?
Thanks for all comments.

Regards,
Roger

Annex: p. 50-51 as referred to above:

CORRESPONDANCE DES PRINCIPAUX
NOMS-PRENOMS MEROVINGIENS

FORME germanique FORME médiévale FORME moderne

MER-WIG    MEROVEE     x
MER-BALD   MEROBAUD    x
CHLOD-WIG   CLOVIS    LOUIS-LUDOVIC
CHLOD-BALD   CLODBALD    x
CRLOD-MER   CLODOMIR    x
CHLOD-HAR   CLOTAIRE    LOTHAIRE

CHLOD-WULF   CLODULPRE    x
CHLOD-FRIED   CLODFRIED    LEUTFRIED

CHLOD-RIC   CLODERIC    x
CHLOD-GAR   CLODGAR    LEGER
CHLOD-BERT   CHILDEBERT   LIBERT
CHILD-RIC   CHILDERIC   LIDERIC
CRILD-WALD   HILGAUD    HELGAUD
CHILD-WIN   HILDUIN    HELUIN
CHILP-RIC   CHILPERIC    x
THEUD-RIC   TREODERIC   THIERRY
TREUD-BERT   THEODEBERT   THIBERT
THEUD-BALD   THEODEBALD   THIBAULT
THEUD-MER   TREODEMER    x
HAR-BERT   CHARIBERT   HERBERT
HAR-RIC   CHARARIC   GUERRIC
WAR-MUND   PHARAMOND    GUERMOND

DAG-BERT   DAGOBERT    x
SIEG-BERT   SIGEBERT    x
SIEG-MER   SIGISMER    x
SIEG-RAM   SIGRAND    x
SIEG-FRIED   SIGEFROY   x
HAI-MO    HAYMON    AYMON
HAI-MUND   RAYMOND    RAYMOND
HAIM-RIC   BENRIC    HENRI
RAD-WULF   RADULF   RAOUL

CHROD-GAR   RODGAR    ROGER
CHROD-BERT   RODBERT   ROBERT
CHROD-LAND  RODLAND   ROLAND
CHROD-WULF  CHRODULPHE  RODOLPHE
CHROD-RIC   CHRODERIC  RODRIGUE
ADAL-RARD  ADALICAIRE  ALARD

ADAL-GISIL  ALDGISI   x
ADAL-RIC  ADALRIC   ALRIC
ADAL-HELM  ALLEAlJME   x
ADAL-BERT  ADALBERT  ALBERT
ADAL-WULF  ADALOLPHE  ADOLPHE
ADAL-BALD   AUTBALD   OLIBA
LAND-RIC   LANDRIC   LANDRY
LAND-BERT  LAMBERT   LAMBERT
RAGN-WALD  RAGENWALD   x
RAGN-RARD  RAGNACAIRE  REGNIER
                                                     RAINIER
RAGN-RIC  RAGNERIC   x
RIC-MER   RICIMER   x
RIC-HARD  RICHARD   RICHIER
                                      RICHARD
ARN-WALD  ARNOULD   ARNOULD
ARN-WULF  ARNULF   ARNOUL
INGEL-BERT  INGBERT   ANGILBERT
INGEL-RAM  INGRAM   ENGUERRAND

WALD-BERT  WAUDBERT  GAUBERT
WALD-LAND  GALLAND   GALIND
WALD-HER  WAUTMER  GAUTHIER
WALD-FRIED  GAUDFROY  GODEFROI

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

Hi, Roger!

> nor do I understand all roots as e.g. "chrod"(?) and "gar"(?) for finally
> "Roger".

Indo-European:
*kar(ǝ) + ĕ[h]aiso

Germanic:
hrōþa + gaiza(z)

Old Saxon:
hrōth + gêr

Old German:
*ruod? + gēr

Old Low Franconian:
*rōt* + --

Literally:
"fame(d) + spear"

Roger, Rüdiger, Rudger, etc. tend to be assumed to have denoted renouned
spearing skills, either given on the basis of such skills or because such
skills were desired.

By the way, the English cognate of the word for 'spear' is "gare" (< Old
English _gár_), also found in the words "garfish" (a fish with a spike as
its nose) and "garlic" (< OE _gárléac_ "spear leek").

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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