LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.11 (01) [E]

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From: Uilleam Ã’g mhic Sheumais <goidel.glas at gmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.10 (06) [E]

Ron wrote:
> So there seems to be a close
> relationship between 'tree' and 'oak' in Eurasia.

That would make a lot of sense - oak had a very special place in Celtic
mythology and culture.   I suppose that "dru-" is cognate with Sanskrit and
the rest - not related to the Slavic. Interesting
nonetheless.

Beannachdan,
Uilleam Og mhic Sheumais

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From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: Etymology

> oak had a very special place in Celtic mythology and culture

In Germanic mythology also, Uilleam.  An oak-tree holds up Yggdrasil, the
"heaven," and oak-leafs are among the most common heraldic symbols.

Mar sin leibh an drà sda!
Reinhard/Ron

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.10 (06) [E]

Hi Uilleam
I don't know what dru- etc means exactly, oak or just tree?
But in the latter case dru and tree seem more related to each other -and
Scandinavian træ/träd = tree
than to Slavonic de~b/da~b = oak. Polish drzewo = tree however could be from
the same root as dru/tree.
(Ingmar)

> From: Uilleam Ã’g mhic Sheumais <goidel.glas at gmail.com>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.10 (05) [E]
>
> Feasgar math, a Lowlanders;
>
> Ron wrote:
> > P.S.: By the way, Yiddish דעמב _demb_ 'oak' comes from Polish _dąb_
> > (/dãb/)
> > 'oak' (< Proto-Slavonic _dǫb� _ /dõb/).
>
> Ron, does this "dǫb�" (that's probably boxes, as it is on my computer,
> despite having various unicode fonts... grr...) root have anything to
> do with the Celtic "dru-" and its various descendants? Is there a
> Proto-Indo-European root for oak using "d"?
>
> Slightly off-topic but still curious,
> Uilleam Ã’g mhic Sheumais

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.10 (06) [E]

Oops, for the second time I discovered that what I wrote here below was
already said by Ron farther down before...
I'm not very much of a good reader huh since I didn't scroll far down
enough again. Impatience and/or lack of time,
I guess (Ingmar)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ingmar Roerdinkholder" <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.10 (06) [E]

> Hi Uilleam
> I don't know what dru- etc means exactly, oak or just tree?
> But in the latter case dru and tree seem more related to each other -and
> Scandinavian træ/träd = tree
> than to Slavonic de~b/da~b = oak. Polish drzewo = tree however could be
from
> the same root as dru/tree.
> (Ingmar)
>
> > From: Uilleam Ã’g mhic Sheumais <goidel.glas at gmail.com>
> > Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.10 (05) [E]
> >
> > Feasgar math, a Lowlanders;
> >
> > Ron wrote:
> > > P.S.: By the way, Yiddish דעמב _demb_ 'oak' comes from Polish _dąb_
> > > (/dãb/)
> > > 'oak' (< Proto-Slavonic _dǫb� _ /dõb/).
> >
> > Ron, does this "dǫb�" (that's probably boxes, as it is on my computer,
> > despite having various unicode fonts... grr...) root have anything to
> > do with the Celtic "dru-" and its various descendants? Is there a
> > Proto-Indo-European root for oak using "d"?
> >
> > Slightly off-topic but still curious,
> > Uilleam Ã’g mhic Sheumais
> >
> > ----------
> >
> > From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
> > Subject: Etymology
> >
> > Feasgar math, a Uilleam!
> >
> > I really don't know, Uilleam.  Perhaps someone else does.
> >
> > The Indo-European word for 'oak' is *_aig-_.
> >
> > Perhaps the Modern Celtic forms are related to what in Gaulish is
_dervo-_
> > 'tree' (cf. Proto-Slavonic *_d(i)ervo_ 'tree') and Proto-Slavonic *_dõb
_
> is
> > related to Gaulish _dub-_ 'smoke', 'black', 'soot'.  Just a wild guess.
> >
> > Early Irish has _dair_ (gen. _darach_) for 'oak', later also _daur_,
> related
> > to Cornish _dar_ and Welsh _derwen_, going back to *_darik-_, related to
> > Latin _larix_ and English _larch_; Archaic Greek  όρυ _dóru_ 'spear',
and
> > eventually English _tree_.  A Celtic derivative is _darach_ 'body of a
> > boat'.  Sanskrit has द्र _dru_ for 'tree' (related to दारु _dāru_
'wood'),
> > and Proto-Germanic has *_trewo-_ for 'tree'.  So there seems to be a
close
> > relationship between 'tree' and 'oak' in Eurasia.
> >
> > Mar sin leibh an dr sda!
> > Reinhard/Ron

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