LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.15 (02) [E/S]

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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: "Etymology" [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Since Scots does not seem to have this "problem," I don't know how
relevant
> this is to the etymology of _teuchter_.

My gut feeling about the word "teuchter" /'tSuxt at r/ is that _if_ it is
related to the word "teuch" then the "-ter" is a reduced form of the normal
English and Scots "-ster" ending as in "baxter", "prankster", "mobster" and
suchlike.

But I don't understand why "*teuchster" /'tSuxst at r/ would be reduced. I
certainly can't think of any examples of the "s" being dropped from other
words.

I've also never really thought of a "teuchter" as "teuch" in any way. More
often I associate the word with the sprightly old gentlemen down from the
Highlands (perhaps) who proudly walk the streets of Edinburgh in kilts and
green jackets.

I would suggest stepping back and looking for an overseas origin for the
word - from somewhere within in the reaches of the old British Empire.

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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From: Thomas <t.mcrae at uq.net.au>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.14 (03) [E]

R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com> wrote
> From: Lowlands-L <lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET>
> Reply-To: lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET
> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:03:44 -0700
> To: LOWLANDS-L at LISTSERV.LINGUISTLIST.ORG
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.14 (03) [E]
>
> Tom McRae has also mentioned one etymological theory of the word
_teuchter_
> being onomatopoetic in origin, either imitating their Gaelic speech or the
> sound their heavy boots made on cobblestones.
No exacly Ron. Ah sed it wiz the soon' thair bewts made in the glaur (mud).
Streets then had nae cobbles or pavin' even in places like London. Goat mah
idea whain stompin in glaury soy bean fields un mah bitts made juist this
soon' us plonked doon deep an Ah pu'd them oot an doon in thye glaur they
ganged agin.
Regards
Tom
Tom Mc Rae PSOC
Brisbane Australia
"The masonnis suld mak housis stark and rude,
To keep the pepill frome the stormes strang,
And he that fals, the craft it gois all wrang."
>>From 15th century Scots Poem 'The Buke of the Chess'

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From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.10.14 (16) [E]

Dear Ron,

 Subject: Etymology

> > Under "Lexicon," Liesbeth inquired about the Scots word _teuchter_,

> One possibility you didn't mention, & I am intrigued that you didn't.
> [Afrikaans] 'tog' (tox) is related to [English] 'tug' & 'tow' (sticking
only
> to the ME) & it means 'expedition, journey cruise, excursion, march,
trip'.

> Looking baldly at the word, I would say it is Inglis, & guess it means
> 'traveller, vagabond, wanderer'.

> Thanks, Mark.  Good point, but one that is limited in that it comes from a
> purely Afrikaans perspective.  The Afrikaans examples you gave are only
> orthographic, not phonemic, in that the final /t/ (or /d/) is not sounded
> word-finally but resurfaces before a suffix that begins with a vowel.

Yess, we've done that with a whole lot of our suffixes.
Nederlanders seem most impressed with what we've done to 'hê' & 'hebbende' =
have & having.

Still; I continue to wonder if a Lallands speaker from Darkest Strathmore,
or a boffin in Old Northumbrian could spook up something like 'teucht' in
his own tongue. It doesn't sit right with me that such matter-of-fact race
would resort to anomatopoeia.
By the way, your analysis of the word in the context of 'tough' has an echo
in the development of the American word 'hunk' & the Eastern European
(Hungarian) new immigrants of three or four generations ago, right?

Yrs,
Mark

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