LL-L "Orthography" 2004.10.16 (04) [E]

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From: Kenneth Rohde Christiansen <kenneth.christiansen at gmail.com>
Subject:

Kenneth Rohde Christiansen:

> My dialect does not have [ai]; it has [E.I].  It and Groningen [A.I]
> (spelled _aai_ in Dutch-based conventions) belong to the North Saxon
> phonetic variant range represented by ANS <ey>.

>>>>> Aha, what is your dialect Kenneth? (Ingmar)

You should read this as

Reinhard wrote:
> My dialect does not have [ai]; it has [E.I].  It and Groningen [A.I]
> (spelled _aai_ in Dutch-based conventions) belong to the North Saxon
> phonetic variant range represented by ANS <ey>.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Orthography

Actually, my dialect (including my father's and his mates' Hamburg dialect
does have [a.I].  But these are not <ey> = [a.I] type dialects.  <ey> is
[E.I] (but <eyr> is [i:3`] in Hamburg dialect).  <ay> = [a.I] occurs in a
relatively small number of words, e.g., _vayn_ [fa.In] 'fine' (= 'grand',
'high-quality' < German _fein_, vs _vyn_ (> viin?) [fi:n] 'fine',
'delicate'), _kray_ [kra.I] 'crow', _hey stayt_ [hEI'sta.It] 'he stands' (<
_hey staet_), _zey stayt_ [zEI'ga.It] 'she goes' (< _sey gaet_), _layt_
[la.It] 'lead', 'say' (< German _leit-_).

So, mine and Hamburg dialect are not _ey_ = [a.I] dialects, and they are not
_ou_ = [a.U] dialects.

_ey_ -> [E.I]
_eyr_ -> [i:3`]
_ay_ -> [a.I]
_ou_ -> [e.U] (like posh-ish London dialect in "go")
_our_ -> [u:3`]
_öy_ -> [O.I]
_öyr_ -> [y:3`]

Mine (Hamburg-derived but interdialectally modified):

_ey_ -> [E.I]
_eyr_ -> [E.I3`]
_ay_ -> [a.I]
_ou_ -> [o-.U] (with a medialized o)
_our_ -> [o-.U3`]
_öy_ -> [9.I] ([œ.I])
_öyr_ -> [9.I3`] ([œ.I3`])

In certain word, both dialects have _ey_ and _ou_ where some other dialects
have _y_ (> _ii_?) and _uu_ repespectively; e.g.,

ney - ny(g) (ni(ig)?)  'new'
vrou - vru 'woman'
bakkerey - bakkery (bakkeri?) 'bakery'

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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