LL-L "Morphology" 2004.09.10 (12) [E]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.09.09 (03) [E/LS]

I very nice story, I had no problems understanding it (Standard Dutch and
Dutch Lower Saxon being my maternal languages).
The "r-prefix" in words as "rünner-", "ropp", "ruut" etc. in St Dutch maybe
does not so much equate "hier-" or "daar-" as it does "er-".
=> eronder, erin, eruit (=beneath it, inside it, outside it).
In colloquial Dutch this "er-" is always pronounced as "d'r-", also
d'ronder, d'rin, d'ruit.
Examples of verbs with "heen-" (=towards) are seldom indeed: heenzenden
(send away), heengaan (go/pass away), but they cause inversion -> ik zend
heen (I send away), hij ging heen (he passed away), unlike verbs with "her-"
One also says: ik loop er heen (I walk towards it), ik loop erover heen (I
walk across it), and ik zal er heen lopen (I shall walk towards it) etc.,
but in that case heen is written apart from the verb.
 Ingmar

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Morphology

Moyen, Ingmar!

> The "r-prefix" in words as "rünner-", "ropp", "ruut" etc. in St Dutch
> maybe does not so much equate "hier-" or "daar-" as it does "er-".

It comes from _her-_ in these varieties; so _herünner_ > _rünner_ 'down' and
_heruut_ > _ruut_ 'out'.  Only some varieties do utilize _hinünner_ ~
_henünner_ for the movement away, but apparently not *_hinuut_ ~ *_henuut_
(cf. German _heraus_ vs _hinaus_).  Obviously, these prefixes originally
indicated movement toward the speaker (_her_) and movement away from the
speaker (_hin_ ~ _hen_).  The /h/ somehow must have fallen through the
cracks farther west.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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