LL-L "Etymology" 2004.09.12 (14) [E]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.09.12 (09) [E]

Dear Henry,

The vast majority of Saxon dialects in the Netherlands have initial sch-
[sx] in stead of sk- in this kind of words; for example: scheuvels [sx2:vls]
= skates in Drenthe Lower Saxon.
Frisian language and dialects, so called West Frisian Dutch of Noord Holland
and the
Saxon-Frisian mixed Stellingwerven dialects all have sk- here: skaetse
[skE:ts@] etc.

As every Dutchman knows, the sport of skating is dominated by Frisians, so
I'd assume English skates borrowed via Frisian or dialect of the province of
Noord Holland (capital Amsterdam) would be even more likely than the Saxon
theory.
Lower Saxon of Germany usually has initial sch [S] like in High German,
earlier also s-ch [sx] in the Western varieties.
 Ingmar

> Ron wrote:
>  >
> > Apparently true "Dutch" loan I can add to the list:
> >> <snip/>
>  >> > skates (< schaetse)
>  >
> Can I "raise the Saxon flag" for this one? Why is it assumed that skates
> is borrowed from Dutch? I have trouble with the k. In my Saxon dialect
> we say "skaatse", whereas the Dutch word is "schaats". If it's borrowed
> from Dutch, wouldn't it be more likely that the English word would be
> "shate(s)"? Saxon however already has the k in it, so that looks more
> obvious to me.
>
> regards,
> Henry

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