LL-L "Language politics" 2004.09.28 (03) [E/V/French/German]

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From: Mike <botas at club-internet.fr>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2004.09.25 (04) [D/E]

Moin-moin, Lowlanders,

Re: Esperanto

I have been following the discussions  with some light bemusement, because
they seem to miss the real issue which to my mind is: We desperately need a
lingua franca to save our languages. Some people appear to feel very
strongly that it should be Esperanto. Why not? Others, for expediency, feel
it should be English. Chinese,  Volapük are but two of the many alternative
candidates. Let´s not waste our time on fighting for one or the other. Let´s
bundle our efforts to achieve that we GET ONE whichever it might be.

Greetings, Mike Wintzer

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch-l at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language politics

Moin, Mike!

> I have been following the discussions  with some light bemusement,
> because they seem to miss the real issue which to my mind is: We
> desperately need a lingua franca to save our languages. Some people
> appear to feel very strongly that it should be Esperanto. Why not? Others,
> for expediency, feel it should be English. Chinese,  Volapük are but two
of
> the many alternative candidates. Let´s not waste our time on fighting for
> one or the other. Let´s bundle our efforts to achieve that we GET ONE
> whichever it might be.

"Fighting"?  Who's been fighting?

And in what way would a lingua franca save our languages?  If Esperanto,
Volapük and Chinese are options, why is English not an option?  If a lingua
franca *can* save languages, why can English (which is the _de facto_ lingua
franca now) *not* do this?

Is it me?  I can't connect those dots.

Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron

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From: Liesbethvlaomse at aol.com <Liesbethvlaomse at aol.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2004.09.26 (01) [E]

Dear Waki-san,

         In case you can not read my message in Flemish, I siad « Wat !?! I
don't remember defending Esperanto, unless it were that I said a person has
the right to speak any language one wishes. »

Though I despise what you say , I will defend your right to say it, eben
with my own life.

  VOLTAIRE

Friendly greetings,
Liesbeth

BTW : I agree with you and others.  Esperanto is a poor language.  It
doesn't work nor does it sound right.  Domo.

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From: Liesbethvlaomse at aol.com <Liesbethvlaomse at aol.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2004.09.25 (04) [D/E]

Liev Wakisan

Wat seigte ge?! ?  Ikke g'dedenkt nie dadde 'k Esperanto heeft beschermd.
As ikke wat seigte , 't zou einige dadde man heeft die recht wat taol man
wou gaorn klapp'n.

«Je déteste ce que vous dites , mais je défendrai avec ma propre vie votre
droit à le dire »

Ao m'n miedevlaming sei
  —Jean François marie baptiste VOLTAIRE , Ca 1750 CE

Dasselbe gild Für unsere deutsche sprachige Freund.

Wie man so treffend sagt on Belgien :  Pour les flamands la même chose.

Vriendeliek Groetjes, Sayonara,
Liesbeth

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From: Bill Wigham <redbilly2 at earthlink.net>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2004.09.27 (11) [E]

LL-L Language Politics
From: Bill Wigham
Westfield, MA
Reinhard and Al:
    Sorry to push on with this thread but I just had to say one more thing
about Esperanto.
Why would anyone want to make it a natural language?  We have plenty of
natural languages just lying around like puppies in the pet store window
hoping for adoption.  There is something pompous and contrived about these
artificial languages which is unappealing.  It has been said that they are
supposed to be somehow a better way to communicate....more precise, and all
that.  But our friend opines below that if Esperanto were naturalized the
speakers would develope their own idiomatic expressions, &ca.  Carry that a
bit further and the natural human imperfection would undo all the supposed
precision of the phoney language in time.

Alles Gute,
Willi der Hutmacher
redbilly2 at earthlink.net

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From: Tom Maguire <jmaguire at pie.xtec.es>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2004.09.27 (02) [E]

From: Pyt Berg <pytbergy at yahoo.com>

>Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2004.09.26 (01) [E]
>
>In my opinion Esperanto would make an ideal vehicle for all Europeans to
>find:-
>
>1. The common root words they share.
>2. Make learning other European languages easier.
>3. Create the self confidence to learn another Euro Language.
>4.  Maybe eventually find a common "neutral" language.

Latin would probably also suit this purpose. It's not needed, however,
because English is the current lingua franca.

Regards,

Tom

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