LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.08.04 (01) [E]

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From: jean duvivier <duvassoc at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.08.03 (02) [E]

Regarding the German language(s), I had the following experience some years
ago. In a train from Frankfurt to Karlsruhe, I was in a compartment with
three German gentlemen. Two of them were talking Hochdeutsch on and off with
the third one and with me, but equally frequently they reversed to a
"dialect" (if I dare use that word ) that escaped me. At an intermediate
stop, they got out.
A short while later I asked the third gentleman what was going on, as I did
not understand those two. He replied :" I don't understand them either, they
speak Preussig, I am from Bavaria".
I found that hilarious.

Jean

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From: Críostóir Ó Ciardha <paada_please at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.08.03 (02) [E]


Ron wrote:
"If this is true it must be a new development. I have never seen any sign of
it. I remember that in the 1960s and 1970s African-American-led attempts to
establish a Black Power base and movement among indigenous Australian ended
in failure, appealed only to a handful of angry young men. While, at least
at that time, American country music and many other things American were
very popular in Aboriginal Australia, the indigenous population as a whole
could not relate to the concept of universal "blackness" and to the
perceptively aggressive tone of the American campaign and awareness
movement. Besides, the Black American experience is very different, forced
immigration and enslavement being key. Indigenous Australians have far more
in common with Indigenous Americans, and it seems that these two general
groups have had more fruitful exchanges since then."

In the 1960s and 1970s Aboriginals copied the non-violent civil rights 
movement in the United States. Charlie Perkins organised sit-ins of 
informally segregated areas (i.e., swimming pools, cafes) and freedom rides 
and the Aboriginal tent embassy in Canberra was established, clearly based 
on American precedents. As you describe some young men took to an Aboriginal 
version of black power that had limited success and coherence. Links between 
the Aboriginal movement(s) and the Native American movement(s) have existed 
and deepened since the mid-1970s.

Of course the American experience is vastly different to the Australian but 
the predominant cultural position of the United States eclipses everything 
else. To us the Aboriginal movement(s) clearly have more in common with the 
Native American (and other indigenous) movement(s) but in terms of the 
discourses Aboriginals themselves use (especially urbanised Aboriginals), 
this is firmly rooted in the black American model. Teenage Aboriginals even 
in fairly remote areas self-consciously model themselves on African American 
street and hip hop culture, to a far greater extent than non-Aboriginal 
teenagers do. Likewise the reporting of Aboriginals in the news is based on 
the American experience - the recent riots in Redfern in Sydney were 
described in very much the same vein as the Los Angeles riots of the early 
1990s, for example.

Go raibh maith agat,

Criostóir.

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