LL-L "Orthography" 2005.12.21 (14) [E]

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21 December 2005 * Volume 14
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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Orthography" 2005.12.21 (07) [E]

Dear Gabriele,

you took my next question:
> So, anyway, why call the current spelling "German based" if it is actually
> based on Roman letters?
At this point I feel like you!
The basic for our Middle-West-North-East-South-European languages ARE Roman 
letters. Standard German must be very close to Old Latin, because we (German 
speakers) normally haven't any difficulties to pronounce it the way it could 
have been pronounced in the times of Cesar.
Shouldn't this rule be valid the same way for LS, too?

Anyway- we cannot deny that there are different sounds in these two 
languages- LS and Standard German.
But- the more I learn about Scots and English and Dutch I feel convinced 
they have at least separated from their original, traditional and 
Latin-close pronunciation and spelling in the last 200 years- English much 
more obviously than Dutch or German.

So- as I wrote two days ago: for some reasons I'm unable to follow Ron at 
his way to spell LS (from time to time) with a specific system, but much of 
his typing I have to accept because of the German insufficiency to describe 
my idiolect.
The same I'd say about Dutch or perhaps English.
So you may think about my kind of writing as a 'wild' mixture of 
Western-European (and Seattled ;-))languages, but: in it's greater part 
based on Standard German (Standard Dutch isn't thus far) as a successor of 
Latin.

Allerbest Greutens

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

BTW: In your last posting you wrote:
> In'n Tüddel kummt wi noch lang nich... laat man use Spraak tauvreden!
> (Actually, this is already standardised, around here it would be
> "Spraok".)
Where is the Standard German vowel _ao_? You don't mean 'Spra-ok' as a 
reader from Southern German could think- what you really describe is very 
similar to an 'å'!? Why not use it, sometimes? To describe the true sound of 
our language even for people writing or studying very ominous 
online-encyclopaedias? T.S.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Orthography

Jonnster,

Our Gabriele wrote:

> In'n Tüddel kummt wi noch lang nich... laat man use Spraak tauvreden!

Actually, what I personally find highly perturbing (and I'll probably have 
to talk to my therapist about this) is the spelling _tauvreden_.  I find it 
distressingly unorthodox, if not even heretical, for it looks suspiciously 
both Dutch (_tevreden_) and Middle Saxon (_tôvreden_), if not even AS 
(_touvreden_).  Oh, no!  I thought that among Sass's devoted minions it was 
supposed to be _taufreden_ or _taufräden_ (in other dialects _tofreden_ or 
_tofräden_).

Nein, oh, nein ...

Toodle-loo!
Reinhard/Ron 

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