LL-L "Phonology" 2005.12.22 (04) [E]

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22 December 2005 * Volume 04
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From: David Barrow <davidab at telefonica.net.pe>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2005.12.19 (04) [E/LS]

Ingmar

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/dutch.htm

has [f] for both <f> and <v>

Do you mean Dutch <v> is phonemically distinct from <f> and needs a 
separate symbol or that  <f>/<v> are phonetically different from the <f> 
= [f] of other languages and needs a different symbol

David Barrow

> From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
> Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2005.12.18 (01) [E]
>
> I cannot find the symbol for Dutch <v> in your Wiki X-SAMPA link.
> Just [v\] that's for Dutch <w>.
> I know it's confusing, Henry, but that's a totally different sound.
> Dutch <v> isn't mentioned at all, probably there is no Sampa symbol for
> it yet. I'll send in a proposal to use [f\] for that to the Sampa-guys.
>
> To avoid your and others' confusion in the future, the alternative Sampa
> symbol [P] for Dutch <w> could be used instead of [v\]. [P] is also in 
> the
> list.
>
> Ingmar
>
> Henry Pijffers schreef:
>
>> So you say the Wiki on X-SAMPA is incorrect?
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-SAMPA
>> Ingmar schreev:
>>
>>> About the Sampa symbol for Dutch <v> - this should be [f\], not [v\]

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