LL-L "Etymology" 2005.07.16 (02) [E]

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From: heather rendall <HeatherRendall at compuserve.com>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2005.07.15 (06) [E]

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In my native Northern Emsland and Huemmling dialect of Low Saxon the
original word for Wednesday is "Gaunsdag". A former colleague from
Lohne-Grafschaft Bentheim- (South-West Emsland) used to say "Gusendag".<

Can anyone explain the origin of this word for me.

Thanks!

Heather

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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2005.07.15 (07) [D/E]

> From: Luc Hellinckx <luc.hellinckx at gmail.com>
> Subject: Lexicon
>
> Hi Hyazinth (and Ron and Heather too ;-) ),
>
> [snip]
>
> Lombardic also had a g-form "Godan", and most (if not all) Germanic
> words that ever made it into French changed initial _w_ to _g_
>
> "want" (fingerless glove) (D) > "gant" (French)
> "war" (E) ~ "verwarring" (D) > "guerre" (French)
> "warranty" (E) > "garantie" (French)

This suggests that garantie comes from warranty, which is in fact the other 
way round: the English form comes from French, albeit Norman French (the 
stress and suffix gives it away too), which did preserve the w- (even today, 
the original French dialect of the Channel Islands still has it), maybe 
because the ruling classes were originally North Germanic and did have a w- 
sound in their original language. The same goes for ward and wardrobe eg 
(robe is French). The gauarantee, guard etc  forms are later additions from 
official French.

This is analogous to Dutch dialects borrowing from Picardian dialects which 
explains preserved k- instead of ch-, in words like Dutch kandelaar vs 
French chandelier. The English form is obviously based on the latter form, 
while Dutch borrowed ir from Picardian dialects that have (or maye had) 
"candelare" or some such form (non-palatal suffix as well).
In older days, people borrowed heavily from whatever non-standard  dialect 
they happened to be in contact with. The influence of standard languages  is 
from a later date.
Another example: North-Frisian Danish-like forms are often better understood 
by looking at the Jutish forms, not the Rigsdansk ones....

regards,

Henno Brandsma

> "ward" (E) > "garde" (French) (imported back into (E) later on as
> "guard")
> "wasp"(E), "wesp" (D) > "guêpe" (French)
> ...
>
> Maybe this tells us something about the vocal quality of Old Germanic
> (?Franconian?) initial "w", being not as voiceless as it is now, but
> somewhat like "hw", or even "gw"...with a lot of aspiration I mean.
>
> Kind greetings,
>
> Luc Hellinckx

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