LL-L "Idiomatica" 2005.06.01 (01) [E/LS]

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.05.31 (01) [E]

Hi, Ingemar,

wi seggt: 'Koomt allens weller by de Reygh' or 'Löppt sick allens t'recht'!
Ick wyss ne, wat dat Afrikoon'sch weer...

Greutens/Regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

> From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
> Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.05.28 (01) [E/Middelsprake]
>
> It looks almost like the silence AFTER the storm, the last few days,
> so quiet it is on the list...
>
> Well, maybe we're all a bit tired, at least I am, and that's a normal
> reaction, I guess.
>
> There is this Afrikaans saying, famous in the Netherlands, I'd like to
> quote here:
> Alles sal reg kom!
>
> Ingmar

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.05.31 (02) [E]

Dank' Dy, Reynhard,

föör Anter opp myn:

> LS: _sick vergoon_ (rev.),

Du hesst schreeven:

> I have never come across Low Saxon reflexive _sik vergaan_ as conveying
> 'to get along',....
> For 'to get along (together)' I use the idiomatic construction _tousamen
> koenen_ (<tosamen könen> "to be able to together"), which may have lost a
> word.  E.g., _Wy twey koent (goud) tousamen_ 'The two of us get along
> (well)'.
>
> Perhaps we are dealing with cases of dialectically restricted usage.

Tja- ick hevv dat Wourd ouk jo ne kennt. Ick kenn dat jyst sou as Du, un
denn ouk: 'ìck kann my mit em verdreegen', 'ick koom klor mit em'.
Mag ween, wat door weller 'n lytten Dyvel binnen sitten deyt. Man- waard
hier elkeyn dag bruukt, as mi 3 Lyyd (van de Oulen!) as uut 'n eynig Snuut
seggt hevvt.

Man- *... cases of dialectically restricted usage.* (ick versoyk dat mool:
casus, -us [lat.]; dia- [greece] legere [lat.]; restringere?? [lat.]; usare
[lat.]- dat is Dy wat!) Ick hevv gonne wysst, wat Ingelsch sou 'n Romaansche
Sprook is. Hoyrt sick meyst an as Dyytsch, griemel. Tou weetenschapplich,
föör myn Niveau :-), man- woll Deyl van de 'TripLe-L'sche Language'!

Best' Greutens

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Idiomatica

Jonny,

> Man- *... cases of dialectically restricted usage.*

Well, I guess it may be a bit hard to understand for some people, but
probably only for speakers of other Germanic languages and for native
English speakers with rather deficient formal education.

I wonder if one can say it without Romance loans ...

"... (these) are brought into play only in the kinds of speech of a small
number of townships." ???

Sounds weird, harder to understand, as far as I am concerned.  Face it: use
of Romance components on English and Scots can at best be limited, not
altogether avoided.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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